Just remember the Confederates were Democrats

[Samson_Corwell]

@WuWei

@toreyj01

And I still want Military bases to change their names if they are named after Confederates. I just don’t get that at all.

Reconciliation.

I think that’s fair.

[WuWei]

@Samson_Corwell

@WuWei

@toreyj01

And I still want Military bases to change their names if they are named after Confederates. I just don’t get that at all.

Reconciliation.

I think that’s fair.

Probably not, but there was a war on.

[fallenturtle]

@Axxowiz

Personally I don’t care if they take all the statues down, I am a second generation immigrant and have no ties to the confederacy, but I draw the line on how it’s done. If the city and people vote to remove a statue so be it. However an angry mob doing it no I don’t approve no differently if an angry mob took down a Malcom X statue, I wouldn’t approve.

I think the vast majority are being taken down by the city… hasn’t it only been one or two that have been taken down by protestors?

Plus another relevant question when does it end? I would imagine it doesn’t it will go right down the list of the founding fathers next and I don’t approve of that period.

Has there been a call for the removal of any non-confederate statues?

[party-free]

This is Monday-morning quarterbacking, but looking back on reconciliation, kissing and making up was a fine short-term solution, but did it place future generations in an unfair position? The good sirs of the war just wanted to shake hands and move on (especially the confederate sirs). If anything, it may have had the effect of allowing the losers of the war to have their cause validated over the next 150+ years.

In the year 2020, I think a lot of people question why we must still abide the names of those sirs on our buildings, statues of those sirs in our public squares, and why the flag of some of the losing sirs is held with such reverence.

[WuWei]

@party-free

This is Monday-morning quarterbacking, but looking back on reconciliation, kissing and making up was a fine short-term solution, but did it place future generations in an unfair position? The good sirs of the war just wanted to shake hands and move on (especially the confederate sirs). If anything, it may have had the effect of allowing the losers of the war to have their cause validated over the next 150+ years.

In the year 2020, I think a lot of people question why we must still abide the names of those sirs on our buildings, statues of those sirs in our public squares, and why the flag of some of the losing sirs is held with such reverence.

Possibly.

Lincoln spoke to it explaining why he didn’t try and hang the leaders.

I looked at Bragg and Benning. Both started and named in 1918.

America can’t fight a war without the sons of the South. That was reconciliation to which I referred.

I don’t have a problem removing the statues, flags or changing the names of bases in public spaces.

Seems to me to be extreme, given that it’s been over 100 years, but I get it.

You think it will stop there?

[Optrader]

Since all you “non-racist” Libs just love to protest racist things that have hurt African Americans so much, since you just cry at the monuments to racism that still exist in our society, how about we abolish and tear down the greatest monuments to racism that still hurts the African American communities today more than anything else you could name?

Planned Parenthood!!!

Now all you hypocrite Libs chime in and tell us why not…

[moonshine]

@toreyj01

These statues should come down. For a few good reasons:

1. They weren’t put up right after the war, they were put up in points of our history where Black Americans were attempting to gain equal rights as a measure of intimidation.

2. Black Americans living in these cities still are reminded not of the Civil War but of the community’s opinion of them. Imagine putting a statue of Hitler in Jerusalem, commemorating the victory over him but showing him on a horse, looking all tough. That wouldn’t fly, and neither should this. Every person fighting to keep these statues are ostensibly saying that their fellow Americans have no right to take offense at glorifying people who committed treason in order to continue enslaving Black Americans.

3. We aren’t going to change until we let go of the past, or at least learn from it. The statues are part of the community and their history, so put them in a museum, where they belong. And present it in the proper context, not as glory to the Confederate but a shameful history of the town itself.

And I still want Military bases to change their names if they are named after Confederates. I just don’t get that at all.

this was part of a plaque that was in the texas state capitol building.
it wasnt taken down until last year.

“We, therefore, pledge ourselves to preserve pure ideals … to study and teach the truths of history (one of the most important of which is that the War Between the States was not a rebellion, nor was its underlying cause to sustain slavery).”

the texas capitol grounds has about a dozen monuments to the confederacy.
they finally put up a monument to african americans just a couple of years ago.

The Hidden Confederate History of the Texas Capitol: An Unofficial Guide

[WuWei]

Do you live in Texas?

[LucyLou]

@Optrader

Now all you hypocrite Libs chime in and tell us why not…

.

[toreyj01]

@WuWei

Do you live in Texas?

I think Moonshine lives in Austin.

[Borgia_dude]

@toreyj01

@WuWei

Do you live in Texas?

I think Moonshine lives in Austin.

The plaque was offensive AND was not a teachable moment unless the reader could see the desperation to revise history in its wording. Texans should be ashamed it took so long to take it down.

[WuWei]

@toreyj01

@WuWei

Do you live in Texas?

I think Moonshine lives in Austin.

Close enough.

@moonshine you should do something about those plaques and statues. Let me know.

[WuWei]

@Borgia_dude

@toreyj01

@WuWei

Do you live in Texas?

I think Moonshine lives in Austin.

The plaque was offensive AND was not a teachable moment unless the reader could see the desperation to revise history in its wording. Texans should be ashamed it took so long to take it down.

Collective shame?

Not hardly.

[bigtwnvin]

[quote=“Borgia_dude, post:31, topic:231999”]
Nobody is expunging history of the civil war except those who pretend it was about states’ rights and not slavery.
States rights was part of the secession decision albeit rooted in the antiquated laws of slavery.
Statues are generally made to honor or commemorate. Quit pretending having statues to the confederacy is about remembering history. We remember the slave South quite well without statues. [/quote]
I studied the Civil War quite extensively years ago when the curriculums weren’t watered down. A lot of boys and young men from the Confederacy and the Union lost their lives in battles that were fought on grounds that were smaller than football fields. You think that didn’t take a measure of intestinal fortitude and a profound faith in God that their cause was not righteous?
Bravery recognized with a statue isn’t about remembering history.

[Borgia_dude]

@bigtwnvin

Bravery recognized with a statue isn’t about remembering history.

1. If the statue were if some nameless confederate soldier, I might agree with you. But they aren’t. They are of the leaders of the confederacy.

2. The timing the statues were erected wasn’t shortly after the war. Their erection was during times of civil unrest with blacks. You think that is coincidence?

[Borgia_dude]

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@toreyj01

@WuWei

Do you live in Texas?

I think Moonshine lives in Austin.

The plaque was offensive AND was not a teachable moment unless the reader could see the desperation to revise history in its wording. Texans should be ashamed it took so long to take it down.

Collective shame?

Not hardly.

Oh? Do you agree with the “history” the plaque imparts to the reader?

[WuWei]

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@toreyj01

@WuWei

Do you live in Texas?

I think Moonshine lives in Austin.

The plaque was offensive AND was not a teachable moment unless the reader could see the desperation to revise history in its wording. Texans should be ashamed it took so long to take it down.

Collective shame?

Not hardly.

Oh? Do you agree with the “history” the plaque imparts to the reader?

How very binary.

I’m a horrible person.

[Borgia_dude]

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

@toreyj01

@WuWei

Do you live in Texas?

I think Moonshine lives in Austin.

The plaque was offensive AND was not a teachable moment unless the reader could see the desperation to revise history in its wording. Texans should be ashamed it took so long to take it down.

Collective shame?

Not hardly.

Oh? Do you agree with the “history” the plaque imparts to the reader?

How very binary.

I’m a horrible person.

It’s fine if you don’t. So why have it there if it is wrong?

[Sknyluv]

@Smyrna

First…remove your feelings…and now…go back in time…to the place where the statues were erected…and the mindset of those at the time? Can you do that? Right after the war and you’re on the losing end, you erect a statue to someone whom you believed was your hero. Now…over a century later, you don’t buy into that? That’s your choice and I understand that. My question is, why attempt to erase the momento of that time and place? You don’t have to agree with it but…do you understand their mindset? Why they felt that way? This doesn’t mean you have to subscribe to their beliefs but it does provide an insight into their mindset and that’s a good thing because it’s a great reminder of what you don’t want repeated IMHO. Use it as a tool for your mind, not an incitement of your feelings. So again I ask, can you do that?

hahahahahahaha

I can easily put myself in their mindset and admit they were wrong.

[WuWei]

@Borgia_dude

It’s fine if you don’t. So why have it there if it is wrong?

Or if I do. “Wrong” is subjective.