this
and thatâs just the beginning of the list

A Positive Covid Milestone
In a sign that the pandemic really is over, the total number of Americans dying each day is no longer historically abnormal.
this
and thatâs just the beginning of the list
You were one of the first posters here who raised teh alarm about COVID because yourâŚdaughter? Maybe daughter in law?..was a hospital worker in the washington area and saw first hand the brutality of this new virus.
A severely out-dated number . . . which shows only that the âvaccinesâ have some efficacy.
But
This is a weird thread.
After 3 years, a brutal global pandemic that at one point was killing 3,000 americans a day, a fast roll out of a vaccine that lessens the severity of the disease, and the natural weakening of the virus, weâre finally able to put concerns about Covid behind us.
And people are cheering like none of the bad stuff ever happened.
Strange.
No
False
Fake
Straw man
That is not what we are saying.
A third of a million deaths? Please.
Publius:
How exactly did âhyper-reactions by persons who were in a mad dash to exaggerate COVIDs dangers and shut down anything they could in responseâ cause a third of a million deaths?
Well that is the number of excess deaths not caused by COVID that occurred during the COVID era.
It is data from the CDC reported in the NY Times. (Not my own number.)Where did they get their numbers?
I believe it includes such things as
- doctors offices partially shutting down (refusing routine tests),
- deaths related to a huge number of people staying home,
- drug and alcohol rehabs shutting down.
- Judges giving away âget out of jail freeâ cards because, courts were shut down and if crooks go to jail they might get Kung flu
- etc. etc.
Anyway if real estate agents had told similar lies resulting in similar deaths and similar economic losses there would be criminal and civil prosecutions. But these are guys in lab coats so . . . we act like it was just an âOoopsie.â
Drâs quit doing needed surgeries for a while too.
That had to have resulted in some deaths as well.
Gaius:
Publius:
How exactly did âhyper-reactions by persons who were in a mad dash to exaggerate COVIDs dangers and shut down anything they could in responseâ cause a third of a million deaths?
Well that is the number of excess deaths not caused by COVID that occurred during the COVID era.
It is data from the CDC reported in the NY Times. (Not my own number.)Where did they get their numbers?
I believe it includes such things as
- doctors offices partially shutting down (refusing routine tests),
- deaths related to a huge number of people staying home,
- drug and alcohol rehabs shutting down.
- Judges giving away âget out of jail freeâ cards because, courts were shut down and if crooks go to jail they might get Kung flu
- etc. etc.
Anyway if real estate agents had told similar lies resulting in similar deaths and similar economic losses there would be criminal and civil prosecutions. But these are guys in lab coats so . . . we act like it was just an âOoopsie.â
Drâs quit doing needed surgeries for a while too.
That had to have resulted in some deaths as well.
Not doing elective surgeries does not cause deaths.
tnt:
This is a weird thread.
After 3 years, a brutal global pandemic that at one point was killing 3,000 americans a day, a fast roll out of a vaccine that lessens the severity of the disease, and the natural weakening of the virus, weâre finally able to put concerns about Covid behind us.
And people are cheering like none of the bad stuff ever happened.
Strange.
No
False
Fake
Straw man
That is not what we are saying.
His (tnt) SOP.
It does look like itâs coming down, but as recently as this april it was 4x. Hardly drastically out of date.
Can you post a link to that graph. Thatâs good info.
No
False
Fake
Straw man
That is not what we are saying.
Well sure it is.
People are patting themselves on the back for saying âthis is no big deal!â forgetting all this awful stuff that we did to get through this pandemic!
And others are bragging that they never got vaccinated, ignoring that your own chart shows how much more likely they were to die because of that choice back when the variants were stronger! Like 8-10x back then!
Itâs crazy.
A third of a million deaths? Please.
I said one-third.
The CDC said one-third
The NY Times reported one-third.
You added the million numbers (though it sounds right to me.)
What did number did the CDC use?
What number did the NY Times print?
Are they a group of MAGA loving science deniers?
In a sign that the pandemic really is over, the total number of Americans dying each day is no longer historically abnormal.
all this awful stuff that we did to get through this pandemic!
Point is
the pandemic was real and a lot of that awful stuff was false fake phony pseudo science that resulted in half as many deaths as COVID itself actually caused
gooddad409:
Gaius:
Publius:
How exactly did âhyper-reactions by persons who were in a mad dash to exaggerate COVIDs dangers and shut down anything they could in responseâ cause a third of a million deaths?
Well that is the number of excess deaths not caused by COVID that occurred during the COVID era.
It is data from the CDC reported in the NY Times. (Not my own number.)Where did they get their numbers?
I believe it includes such things as
- doctors offices partially shutting down (refusing routine tests),
- deaths related to a huge number of people staying home,
- drug and alcohol rehabs shutting down.
- Judges giving away âget out of jail freeâ cards because, courts were shut down and if crooks go to jail they might get Kung flu
- etc. etc.
Anyway if real estate agents had told similar lies resulting in similar deaths and similar economic losses there would be criminal and civil prosecutions. But these are guys in lab coats so . . . we act like it was just an âOoopsie.â
Drâs quit doing needed surgeries for a while too.
That had to have resulted in some deaths as well.
Not doing elective surgeries does not cause deaths.
Not my number . . . the CDCâs number.
That number is not from me. It is from the CDC.
I did not come up with that number.
The CDC came up with that number.
If you insist on disputing that number yet again please begin your statement âYou are wrong to believe the CDC number Gaius. I think the CDC is lying. they are full of crap.â
None of the numbers support the underlying thesis of the thread that âitâs just another cold virus.â
None of the numbers support the underlying thesis of the thread that âitâs just another cold virus.â
We agree about that.
Publius:
None of the numbers support the underlying thesis of the thread that âitâs just another cold virus.â
We agree about that.
Hopefully you can see things this way:
Imagine a war in a ME country results if 300,000 American deaths.
Then it turns out one-third of the deaths were because the US defense industry was saying âDrive this jeep and use this rifle.â
In such a case the defense industry can be be described as a a bunch of murderous liars and needs to be brought to justice.
I am not denying that the war (or in this case the pandemic) happened. I am pointing out that the murderous liars are murderous liars and should be treated as such. The fact that they wear lab coats does not make them innocent.
Point is
the pandemic was real and a lot of that awful stuff was false fake phony pseudo science that resulted in half as many deaths as COVID itself actually caused
There it is againâŚ
In such a case the defense industry can be be described as a a bunch of murderous liars and needs to be brought to justice.
I am not denying that the war (or in this case the pandemic) happened. I am pointing out that the murderous liars are murderous liars and should be treated as such. The fact that they wear lab coats does not make them innocent.
But the people you are mad at did things that SAVED lives, not costed lives!
This is so silly.
No one wanted to wear masks. Itâs been proven again and again that they slowed teh spread of covid.
no one wanted to get a shot. Itâs been proven they saved lives and helped end the pandemic.
You want to pretend the opposite!
Wild.
Gaius:
Point is
the pandemic was real and a lot of that awful stuff was false fake phony pseudo science that resulted in half as many deaths as COVID itself actually causedThere it is againâŚ
Yup the CDC said âone-third.â
the NY Times said âone-third.â
silly me . . . I repeated the number.
(Must be a right wing lie huh?)
Do you hate the CDC?
Do you hate the NY Times?