You’ve been posting here way too long to think that you’re making a good argument.
Thats odd because that isn’t what he said at all.
And when someone says “take care of 'em” they are always directing their lieutenant to provide refreshments and comfort.
Guvnah:The baker doesn’t want to participate in what his faith considers sinful. Is it too much to ask to let him refrain from what he considers participating in sin?
Then he should stop baking cakes. He bakes cakes for people who are on their 3rd marriage, adulterers, sodomites, drunks, swingers and anything else you can think of. Why does he consider gayness to be so much worse than the others? Every person he bakes for is a sinner. It’s just a freaking cake, bake it. Gays have to eat too. Or would he prefer they starve?
Really?
“I’m a drunkard- will you bake me a cake?”
“I’m an adulterer. Will you bake me a cake?”
Is there any evidence that he has had such requests?
“Gays have to eat too.”
Mr. Phillips serves them any baked goods they order—just not celebrating GLBTQ messages on his goods.
They’re going to starve if they must find another baker for these particular messages? That makes no sense.
All these years of buying cakes, & I’ve yet to see a drunkard, adulterer, shotgun wedding, racial, etc. cake.
Can anybody here provide proof of such messages on bakery cakes?
Really?
“I’m a drunkard- will you bake me a cake?”
“I’m an adulterer. Will you bake me a cake?”
Not just that.
The closer parallel would be:
“I’m a drunkard. Would you bake a cake celebrating my latest DUI?”
“I’m an adulterer. I need a cake listing the five women I’ve cheated with this month.”
He just doesn’t want to make same sex wedding cake, or celebration of homosexuality or sex reassignment.
It’s none of his business why someone wants a cake.
Janet_Miller:He just doesn’t want to make same sex wedding cake, or celebration of homosexuality or sex reassignment.
It’s none of his business why someone wants a cake.
It is if he has to decorate it with the reason for the cake. That’s exactly what his business would be.
BillBrown:Really?
“I’m a drunkard- will you bake me a cake?”
“I’m an adulterer. Will you bake me a cake?”Not just that.
The closer parallel would be:
“I’m a drunkard. Would you bake a cake celebrating my latest DUI?”
“I’m an adulterer. I need a cake listing the five women I’ve cheated with this month.”
If a gay male couple asked for a cake with 2 penises on it, you would have a point since the baker doesn’t bake penis cakes for anyone. However, if a couple orders a wedding cake THAT YOU ALREADY MAKE, refusing to do so on religious grounds is ■■■■■■■■■
It’s none of his business why someone wants a cake.
In each case the plaintiff made it his business by specifying. Further, the requests weren’t just cakes off the shelf. Each requested customization (which is his own art) specific to the “celebration” at hand.
The Commerce Clause was only created to permit the federal to stop the States from abusing their Jurisdictions to harm the citizens of other States.
The Court was and is in abeyance to opine it extends to what private persons do, never mind what they do that may somehow affect Interstate commerce.
The power they have claimed over all commerce is far greater than the one actually granted.
Or do you imagine that lawlessness and corruption comes first in even the generation of the Founders and fidelity and respect for oath of office comes later on?
A lot of words to say I asked a question, got an answer and disagree with Congress and the SCOTUS.
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Yes it’s harassment…and extremely intolerant. they’re trying to force the baker in accepting their moral values using the strong arm of goverment.
All they’re asking him to accept is that gay people eat cake. They aren’t trying to buy sex toys from him.
altair1013:It’s none of his business why someone wants a cake.
In each case the plaintiff made it his business by specifying. Further, the requests weren’t just cakes off the shelf. Each requested customization (which is his own art) specific to the “celebration” at hand.
You don’t know what they asked for.
If they really want to be edgy and punk they could visit a Wahhabis cake baker and demand a cake.
All they’re asking him to accept is that gay people eat cake.
No, they’re not. Read the thread. Read the news articles. Even the pro-gay media give details that show why these were very specific requests, and why the repeated attempts are harassment.
If they really want to be edgy and punk they could visit a Wahhabis cake baker and demand a cake.
Yep, or a homosexual baker and demand a Straight Pride cake.
If they are aware that the baker is a conservative Christian who has made it known that he will not prepare cakes for a gay wedding, and gay couples deliberately go to him rather than any of the other available bakers, then, yes, they are at least being very rude and at worst, displaying religious intolerance.
Why would anyone want a cake prepared by someone who objects to doing it? If all they want is a cake, there are any number of bakers who would prepare it. And if that’s true, then the object is not the cake, but whatever the couple hopes to provoke by making the request.
Why would anyone want a cake prepared by someone who objects to doing it?
They didn’t. They wanted grounds to file harassing lawsuits against the guy.
FloridaYankee:I agree it’s harassment if they know about the court case this guy has already been through, but I don’t think being gay is a “moral value”.
Did you decide to be straight? Cuz gays say it’s not a choice and I don’t see any reason to doubt them.
Christians should stop judging gays right now. Just end it and focus on their own sins. God does not need their assistance in passing his judgement. And he certainly isn’t sending anyone to hell for baking a cake. To their credit, millions of Christians have decided it’s none of their business. They’ve moved on. To sooner the rest do, the better.
Kudos for being a Christian who doesn’t diminish the God he believes in.