Is there anyone who does not support term limits?

I prefer our national culture to Yankeedom’s culture.

:rofl: “national culture”? What does that look like?

Yes! I know who doesn’t support term limits. Nearly every member of congress. And unfortunately, theirs are the only votes that count.

I think the big problem is the money. Not all of these people go into congress as rich men. But nearly all leave that way. Some as multi millionaires. Where is the money coming from? And when you are in congress for 20 or 30 years it is impossible not to lose touch with the real world.

Members of Congress are required to file financial disclosure statements every year.

If you actually wanted to know where their money comes from, you could just look it up.

I definitely support term limits on these career politicians,
no matter what side of the aisle they come from!

I doubt that will ever change, because these career politicians
will never want to give that up!

How about campaign fund limits instead?

Say $1MM

There’s a new idea.

What constitutes each of these things is disputed by everyone, but these are the things that come to mind:

  • Freedom.
  • Equality.
  • The notion of “rights” derived from a person’s humanity.
  • Civic republicanism.

That’s the ideal of civil service.

The honorableness of politicians can’t be constant. It has to have varied between time periods. So, what periods in history have collectively featured the most and least honorable politicians? Is our political environment more toxic than during the 1960s? Were the statesmen of the Reconstruction or the early years more idealist and believed more in “American” values than politicians today?

so you don’t believe in term limits then?

And no, I don’t believe in Evil campaign fund limits instead.
This is one of those things, that if you’re trying to be the middle on things Sneaky
and joke about, you’ve lost my respect completely on buddy.

And u disappoint me on, my friend.

Do you believe that most of the participants here are Sean Hannity Conservatives?

The majority of the participants here are by no means Sean Hannity conservatives. Not even close in my opinion. Regarding term limits here are some national polls on this:

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/voters-term-limits-congress-house/2018/02/08/id/842301/

Here is one that has a political breakdown:

According to a Gallup survey posted Friday, 75 percent of adults nationwide back term limits for members of the House and the Senate, while 21 percent say they would vote against term limits. Term limits received bipartisan support in the poll: Republicans would back such a measure 82 percent-15 percent; independents would do so 79 percent-17 percent and Democrats favored term limits 65 percent-29 percent, even as most incumbents won their races again in November, Gallup noted.

Regarding Sean Hannity, not sure if this agrees with your statement about what he would like:

Me… Just made California worse. The parties runs everything.

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I was hoping that you could elaborate more on this? Are you saying that they have term limits in CA? At what levels?

Yes, and basically at all levels.

Governor, State Legislature, most city-level offices, most county-level offices.

Excellent post.

I had conversations with Arizona legislators and staff after term limits had been voted in there. The key criticisms were that trust relationships didn’t develop among legislators, because everyone was a short-timer, and that power of the institution was effectively tranferred to the lobbyists, who weren’t going anywhere.

What seems lost on term limit enthusiasts is that legislating is a skilled profession, requiring knowledge of unglamorous issues, such as water rights and policy, or power supply issues (both important and contentious in Arizona). When issue expertise among legislators is constantly flushed out, the result is that lobbyists step in to fill the gap, to the point of writing legislation and pushing it on to lawmakers who don’t understand the finer points, the sneaky loopholes and hidden industry benefits included, etc…

Term limits don’t improve representation of the people’s interests, in general it worsens it.

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Sarcasm?

No. I thought you were suggesting a cap on spending as opposed to campaign contributions.

Both. Why does a campaign need to raise $100MM? (I don’t know the real numbers)

The ones making out on this deal are our altruistic 4th Estate / 5th Column propagandists.

Let’s cap spending and contributions.