Is MAGA a cult?

MAGA is a political movement and/or a slogan, and loosely refers to Trump’s base.

but the term “cult” has been used a lot recently as a pejorative to malign Trump and his politics as often the case in the media.

definitions of “cult” vary and the term is often described as being on a “spectrum” (especially lately).

If you define (as experts do) a cult as constituting a rapid shift in beliefs away from broader society (and away from their own long held beliefs), and its members act against their own self interests (and their loved ones), supporting/being MAGA is neither of these things.

The media is using the term as a cudgel of course, because they have no other way of explaining the devotion to this political movement.

we’ll go from here to avoid a word wall OP. but if you believe it is a cult, as many of you i know do. please cite why.

Think twice before saying ‘cult’ — Harvard Gazette

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I don’t much care what woke libs call us.

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I dunno if cult is really the right word here. Not in the traditional meaning of it anyway.

I would say Trump has a Cult of Personality around his most loyal fans. But that’s not the same thing as a pure cult in the Kim family sense.

Honestly, it reminds me a lot of Mao’s cult of personality he had with the Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution in the late 1960s. Strongly held ideological positions are bent when the leader changes his mind on something. It’s very populist, rather than being ideologically consistent.

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Yep.

Party of family values before Trump came down the escalator. Party of law and order while ignoring Trumps fraud in his University and Foundation. Also ignoring his business fraud. (And watch as you supporter deny this… which is another hallmark of cults)

Yep. Supporting billionaires getting more billions. Complaining about the price of groceries and accepting that Trump said he likely can’t do anything about it.

Here is what Psychology today says are the signs of a cult

The Common Stages in the Life Cycle of a Cult

The Big Idea.

A leader or leaders propose a new transcendent idea that promises a panacea solution for alienated and vulnerable people. This big idea promises to solve all problems; to end loneliness, isolation, and a sense of personal failure. It makes vague promises of meaning and salvation. There is usually a charismatic leader or a single text with its own coded language that spreads the big idea.

Love-Bombing.

Cult leaders and early devotees recruit from the wider population through love-bombing and promising a new start, a hope for a future of love, belonging, and salvation within a living community of people who all believe in the big idea. As a new recruit, you become one of the chosen to whom ‘the truth’ is revealed. You are loved and ‘saved.’

A New Life.

New recruits are inducted into a secret language of signs and symbols. They’re encouraged to identify as victims of the world outside and are promised a rebirth, a new body or identity within this life, or an afterlife. Recruits are taught to see the world as black or white, good or evil, us or them; and this creates tight group unity which is enforced by rote learning of the cult’s slogans. These beliefs are often illogical as a test of ‘true belief.’ New recruits experience euphoria as part of a ‘chosen’ secretive group.

Growth.

As new recruits move into greater commitment, the cult enters the ‘expansion phase’ and looks outwards. The new task is to recruit ever more people. Love-bombing and promising a new life are used on outsiders, and the young and needy are targeted. The cult expands rapidly with its promises of future rewards, be they spiritual, sexual, or political. Mantras and slogans replace all individual thought and offer collective ‘one-ness.’

Rites of Passage.

Allegiance is sworn through acts such as renouncing your own family, past life, and past name. New members are separated from all past support systems and become dependent on the cult. New members are tested by having to transform their identity, body, language, and even sexual behaviours. They must ‘don the robes’ and declare to the world that ‘I am no longer who I was, I am now part of group X.’

Isolation.

The cult becomes too large to control and has to prevent influences from the outside world from weakening its power over members. The leaders ban acts of individual free will. The cult isolates its members from the world beyond, depicting the outside as corrupt, evil, and violent. This increases bonding as members see themselves as ‘threatened victims’. Language control and growing paranoia make questioning the cult impossible. Mantras and slogans silence doubts and dissent. Internal repression grows.

Hate Bonding.

The cult reaches its size limit and problems arise from failures in its ‘plan for all.’ But the cult cannot admit errors. It starts to feed on hatred of the outside world. It evolves rituals of hatred, building a deeper ‘unity of the persecuted.’ One stratum of society is usually the target of all hatred and they might be given a coded name. Members are encouraged to share their hatred in ritualised forms.

Traitors.

Afraid of the growing hate culture, some members question the leaders but they are thrown out or made to do penance. The contraction phase begins and leads to a clampdown on any freedoms within the cult. In the face of internal persecution, a senior member often leaves and becomes a ‘traitor.’ Gaslighting, peer pressure, and groupthink prevent others from leaving. A few are helped to leave the cult by family members or forced out by cult deprogrammers, but such acts only fuel the cult’s conviction that it is under attack.

Witch Hunts.

Internal trials within the cult weed out all potential traitors. Doubters are shamed into falsely accusing others. The remaining members are forced into committing acts of personal supplication that might be sexual, or involve body-marking, self-mutilation, or a pledge to transgressive acts. A common test of belonging involves committing small crimes against the hated world beyond. Once a member commits an illegal act, the cult has evidence it can use to blackmail that member into compliance. This is abusive trauma bonding.

Persecution Paranoia.

As more people flee the cult, secrets are leaked to the outside world about the authoritarian rule of the leaders. External law forces investigate the cult. The cult’s paranoia grows. Increasingly paranoid the cult weaponises for a showdown against the world and sees violence as the necessary purifying force that will save itself from its scheming enemies. All who commit acts of violence are pardoned in advance by the leader or leaders. Many other cult members leave and this increases paranoid fear of impending confrontation with external enemies.

Attack.

Often a respected member of the cult is accused, tortured, or even killed and the ‘secret’ scapegoating becomes the new form of group cohesion. Cult members are forbidden to leave and terror is whipped up about an imminent attack from external enemies, imagined or real. Allegiance to the cult is now proven by ‘striking back’ against the outside world. After an attack, the collective fear of being destroyed by the external enemy takes over.

Final Conflict.

Fearing destruction, the cult either attempts one final attack against the world or barricades itself up and enters into a state of siege. In the latter case, cult suicide pacts are common. The cult either destroys itself or lashes out against its often fantasised enemies. Either way, the cult collapses with violation of laws or loss of life.

Never looks in a mirror…

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Left had it too. Especially with Obama.

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And that was my point. Those that wish to continue to yell at the other side while being blind to their own hypocrisy need to take a damn seat and shut up. Well, they could sing the Praise Obama song if they get bored I guess.

Both sides have people who become too invested in the person and can’t see past that. To try and keep pinning the word cult to it belittles actual damaging cults worldwide.

Not to mention cheapens the word itself. Just like throwing facist, nazi, racist out at everyone who dares to disagree with your view.

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I don’t see any of those signs with MAGA.

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Here’s how it goes. I was born in the US. My grandparents and great, great grandparents were also born in the US. I was raised on “baseball, hotdogs, apple pie and Chevrolet”. My father was a veteran of WWII. My older brother was a trained sniper in the Korean War. My next older brother was on an aircraft carrier positioned off of South Viet Nam. All I can say is that I have been programmed to love my country. What I’ve learned is what was taught as being the United States’s way of life and to pursue the American Dream. It’s a road I’ve been on since my birth.

As I’ve continued on this straight path, the country has swerved. The best example of what I’m talking about would be to consider Disney. Walt Disney came on every Sunday night and had a show that perpetuated good, what’s right in the world and the American Way. Now consider Disney today, since Walt has died and it doesn’t even remotely resemble what Walt Disney stood for. This is representative of this nation. I’m still traveling straight, down the road I was born on but the country has gone in this new, insane, transgender ideology "V"irtuous way. MAGA is many that were brought up in this country, that are still traveling in the same, straight direction. It’s the country that’s swerved off track and those that have swerved, are looking at those still on the same American way road and labeling it a cult. I’m sorry but it’s you that has been indoctrinated by a “cult”. I’m still following the path that Walt Disney and Superman taught me decades ago…“truth, justice and the American way”.

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It’s a complicated subject. Historically speaking, America kind of sucked for people that weren’t white. It wasn’t until the end of the 60s that was really fixed.

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I was there. I observed Martin Luther King being assassinated. The first time I ever cried at a funeral, was for the lady my mother hired to clean our house each week. I didn’t see the color of her skin, I loved her and she loved me. I don’t perpetuate hate, I perpetuate love and IMO…that is the American way and what has been the prevalent force since the early 70s. All the hate being sewn today, is in blatant ignorance as to how things were vs how they are. It’s the media sewing something that was for the most part, put to rest a generation ago. Although it may still exist, it’s small vs what was. “We the people” should be celebrating how far we’ve come today, not attempting to resurrect the hate that was from yesterday.

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I’ve been anxiously awaiting this one. Should make for a lively discussion.

Ironically, I’ve seen a handful of Conservatives point to MAGA stemming from the 2020 election fraud accusations and the January 6th, 2021, events while calling MAGA a cult. I don’t find it surprising that many on the left would call MAGA a cult.

I have voiced my distaste for both events in the past. No need to rehash them here. I know there are strong feelings on both sides.

From personal experience, I found there isn’t much tolerance for those who don’t subscribe to Trump’s version of events. But despite all of that, I agree with OP. I don’t see MAGA as a cult and I don’t see Trump as a cult personality.

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It is far better after 1965…but it is not “fixed” Several more generations of progress may get us there. Maybe.

If Trump was suddenly out of the picture…MAGA would die. No leader. No cult

Obama didn’t change Dem ideology. No movement died without him. He was popular but not idolized. Not like Trump.

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In post 5, @PurpnGold provided a good summary of the signs or criteria for something to be called a cult. Your claim doesn’t meet any of those criteria.

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You can’t be serious

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thats some good copy/pasting there

are we just supposed to believe that this all matches MAGA alone?

Both Obama and Trump are charismatic leaders. Neither of them is idolized.

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