Illegal immigration and minimum wage

[Jezcoe]

@altair1013

A couple questions here.

Once angry grandpa allows the caravans into the U.S. What will these people do? What are we going to pay a non English speaking zero skill person 15 dollars per hour do? What makes them worth 15 bucks? Any idea?

Secondly, what jobs do you expect to see cut due to the minimum wage hike? I’m predicting that all cashier jobs will vanish. When you pull up to a McDonalds drive through, you will tap your order into a kiosk. What do you think will be cut?

Find the people who hire undocumented labor, throw them in jail and seize their property.

[WCD9973]

@altair1013

Wrong. They will close because the government forced them to close. If an employee does not generate 15 dollars per hour on worth for the business, he is a liability and must be cut. Simple math that even progressives should understand.

What are we going to pay a non English speaking zero skill person 15 dollars per hour do? What makes them worth 15 bucks? Any idea?

WRONG. They closed because they could not afford the cost of doing business, which includes your labor. Its why, until covid- there were a NET GAIN of companies (and jobs) over the last 7 years in Seattle that relies on min wage labor (Like Hospitality). The fact that some business closed and others took their spot and succeeded tells me that the issue was not regulation, that the new business also must have.

And I already anwered your very poor, badly worded question. Sticklng it in bold doesn’t change my answer.

[WCD9973]

@PurpnGold

Currently Seattle’s unemployment rate is 4.4%.

How can that be! That is 2.2% LOWER Then the national unemployment rate??
Cleveland Ohio has roughly the same amount of people in roughly the same size but min wage is only $8.70, yet their unemployment is 5.8.

[WCD9973]

@WuWei

Good post.

Is it the purview of the government to force business to plan?

It is the purview of Government to sometimes get involved for the general welfare of the people, the result of which may involve business to plan.

Getting rid of Child Labor laws, Creating workplace safety rules, and requiring food to meet healthy standards all cost business more money and required them to plan.

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

Is it the purview of the government to force business to plan?

They already force them to pay minimum wage.

Allan

[zantax]

@Sknyluv

@altair1013

What are we going to pay a non English speaking zero skill person 15 dollars per hour do? What makes them worth 15 bucks? Any idea?

Agriculture labor jobs. Those are back breaking, manual labor jobs that are well worth 15 bucks an hour.

Pfft, I was doing it at ten years old for a quarter a bushel.

[biggestal99]

@zantax

Pfft, I was doing it at ten years old for a quarter a bushel

I walked 15 miles to school when I was young, barefooted.

Allan

[zantax]

@biggestal99

@zantax

Pfft, I was doing it at ten years old for a quarter a bushel

I walked 15 miles to school when I was young, barefooted.

Allan

You don’t think kids were doing agricultural labor in the sixties? I can assure you we were. I picked tomatoes for heinz, I cut cabbage for my grandfather. Kept me in pop and comic books. As far as menial labor goes, it wasn’t that bad, have done far harder ones.

But I realize being able to work outside is a foreign concept to some.

[WuWei]

@altair1013

@WuWei

Non-English speaking is not equivalent to “zero skill”.

Not even here.

So? Who said it was? The new law states that we must pay everyone, including non English speaking, zero skilled labor 15 bucks per hour. My question remains.

To do what?

You implied it.

53 million people in this country speak Spanish - more than Spain or Colombia.

And they learn to communicate very quickly. It’s not a problem.

[WuWei]

@zantax

@biggestal99

@zantax

Pfft, I was doing it at ten years old for a quarter a bushel

I walked 15 miles to school when I was young, barefooted.

Allan

You don’t think kids were doing agricultural labor in the sixties? I can assure you we were. I picked tomatoes for heinz, I cut cabbage for my grandfather. Kept me in pop and comic books. As far as menial labor goes, it wasn’t that bad, have done far harder ones.

But I realize being able to work outside is a foreign concept to some.

Will they now? Do we want our kids picking cabbage?

[zantax]

@WuWei

@zantax

@biggestal99

@zantax

Pfft, I was doing it at ten years old for a quarter a bushel

I walked 15 miles to school when I was young, barefooted.

Allan

You don’t think kids were doing agricultural labor in the sixties? I can assure you we were. I picked tomatoes for heinz, I cut cabbage for my grandfather. Kept me in pop and comic books. As far as menial labor goes, it wasn’t that bad, have done far harder ones.

But I realize being able to work outside is a foreign concept to some.

Will they now? Do we want our kids picking cabbage?

No, we don’t want kids to do it, but adult Americans will, if you pay them enough. Why should agriculture be exempt from that basic labor market principle?

[WuWei]

@zantax

No, we don’t want kids to do it, but adult Americans will, if you pay them enough. Why should agriculture be exempt from that basic labor market principle?

Is “paying them enough” not what the min wage to $15 all about? Do you support that?

Because you won’t pay $10 for a head of cabbage.

[zantax]

@WuWei

@zantax

No, we don’t want kids to do it, but adult Americans will, if you pay them enough. Why should agriculture be exempt from that basic labor market principle?

Is “paying them enough” not what the min wage to $15 all about? Do you support that?

Because you won’t pay $10 for a head of cabbage.

Of course I would pay ten dollars for a head of cabbage and have. Back when I lived on the Island of Barbados. That is roughly what they are paying for one in Hawaii right now.

https://shop.foodland.com/shop/fruits_and_vegetables/fresh_vegetables/brussels_sprouts_and_cabbage/green_cabbage_head/p/12435

People will pay what food costs, because, they have to eat.

[zantax]

As for supporting federal minimum wage, no, because cost of living varies widely. I support local minimums.

[EternalVigilance]

$15 per hour in Oklahoma isn’t the same as $15 in Los Angeles, which is why a federal standard is problematic and will absolutely crush non-coastal areas. Based on the article below, many states are already making adjustments while others are trending to do so. Congressional fiat isn’t needed.

These 21 states are raising their minimum wage for 2020

[Hexenbiest]

Obviously allowing migrants in during a devastated economy makes zero since so many businesses went under during all the lockdowns roughly 100,000 small businesses are gone now. Beijing Biden is going to rip up the H1B limits as well, anyone working with a company that outsource and insources from India this is bad for as well.

Not science here, basic supply and demand a ton of Americans are out of work now from covid.

[WuWei]

Will they?

[WuWei]

@zantax

As for supporting federal minimum wage, no, because cost of living varies widely. I support local minimums.

Why? Why allow the gov to get involved in any way?

Looking at history, a sub society seems necessary to success.

[zantax]

@WuWei

@zantax

As for supporting federal minimum wage, no, because cost of living varies widely. I support local minimums.

Why? Why allow the gov to get involved in any way?

Looking at history, a sub society seems necessary to success.

Because of social safety nets, they aren’t going away. And because of them, I end up paying if the company won’t. I’d rather we do away with both.

[WuWei]

@zantax

@WuWei

@zantax

As for supporting federal minimum wage, no, because cost of living varies widely. I support local minimums.

Why? Why allow the gov to get involved in any way?

Looking at history, a sub society seems necessary to success.

Because of social safety nets, they aren’t going away. And because of them, I end up paying if the company won’t. I’d rather we do away with both.

I don’t understand.