If universal health care is so bad how come no one has dropped it?

[Jezcoe]

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

like a new car

Interesting choice of example by the way.

Not reallly.

It is an example of the difference between an elastic and inelastic demand.

[WuWei]

People do it every day.

Can people do without some kind of house?

[Jezcoe]

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

It’s not a commodity like a new car or a fancy house.

One can do with an older car or a smaller house.

One cannot do without cancer treatment or insulin.

Can one do without fancy cancer treatment and less insulin/more diet?

Really?

You are really going to argue this?

[Munimula1]

Medical care and housing are not equivalent, but I think you know that.

[koushi_shinigami]

@Jezcoe

It’s not a commodity like a new car or a fancy house.

Cars and houses are not commodities.

[Munimula1]

You’re right- a more accurate word would have been products.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

Not reallly.

It is an example of the difference between an elastic and inelastic demand.

Yes really, given what’s parked in the driveways of some of those who can’t afford health insurance.

And in the US, how long do you think it will be before a determination is made that healthcare covered under the additional private policies are a right under the single payer?

[Jezcoe]

@koushi_shinigami

@Jezcoe

It’s not a commodity like a new car or a fancy house.

Cars and houses are not commodities.

Of course they are.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

Really?

You are really going to argue this?

Really?

You’re not?

Again, you don’t have a plan. You have an idea.

Why does medicare work and why won’t simple expansion solve the problem?

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

Of course they are.

So is healthcare.

[Jezcoe]

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

Not reallly.

It is an example of the difference between an elastic and inelastic demand.

Yes really, given what’s parked in the driveways of some of those who can’t afford health insurance.

And in the US, how long do you think it will be before a determination is made that healthcare covered under the additional private policies are a right under the single payer?

Ah… the anecdotal person who has nice stuff argument.

It is a failure of an argument on many levels. It is simply reflective of the bias that you want to see.

And as far how far single payer would be considered a right? Not soon enough in my opinion.

[Jezcoe]

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

Of course they are.

So is healthcare.

Yes, but the demand is inelastic.

Hope that helps.

[lulubee]

@koushi_shinigami

@lulubee

Anyone who opposes universal health care should, once they turn 65, refuse to use Medicare. They should self insure since they believe government run health insurance is so awful.

I would love to. If I could opt out and stop the government Fein forcing me to pay into that system, I would.

Excuses, excuses. Nothing is stopping you from saving on your own now to self insure once you turn 65.

[Jezcoe]

@lulubee

@koushi_shinigami

@lulubee

Anyone who opposes universal health care should, once they turn 65, refuse to use Medicare. They should self insure since they believe government run health insurance is so awful.

I would love to. If I could opt out and stop the government Fein forcing me to pay into that system, I would.

Excuses, excuses. Nothing is stopping you from saving on your own now to self insure once you turn 65.

Even Ayn Rand took her imorral social security money.

[lulubee]

@koushi_shinigami

@lulubee

No calls for Medicare expansion to cover everyone?!? Have you been living under a rock the last few years?

Reread what I wrote. I’ve seen no calls to expand Medicaid. Are your comprehension skills really this bad?

No, I just misread what you wrote.

[koushi_shinigami]

@Jezcoe

Of course they are

com·mod·i·ty
kəˈmädədē/Submit
noun
a raw material or primary agricultural product that can be bought and sold, such as copper or coffee.
synonyms: item, material, product, article, object; More
a useful or valuable thing, such as water or time.

Cars and houses are finished goods or merchandise, not commodities.

[calirepub]

If a person has health issues to the point where they are unable to financially take care of themselves, the responsible thing is not to expect society to take over the burden of their care. This only encourages poor people to have health issues. If you can afford a cell phone, car payment, rent and food, then you obviously have enough money to pay for your own health care. People got to learn how to prioritize.

[Jezcoe]

@koushi_shinigami

@Jezcoe

Of course they are

com·mod·i·ty
kəˈmädədē/Submit
noun
a raw material or primary agricultural product that can be bought and sold, such as copper or coffee.
synonyms: item, material, product, article, object; More
a useful or valuable thing, such as water or time.

Cars and houses are finished goods or merchandise, not commodities.

You are getting into semantics.

The definition of a commodity that I am referring to is something that is for an exchange of money or time.

I am using a broad definition while you want to narrow it.

Both uses are fine.

[Munimula1]

You’re wrong. a catastrophic illness can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Childhood diseases like Type 1 diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis or cystic fibrosis are life long illness requiring expensive medications and treatment.

[Jezcoe]

@calirepub

If a person has health issues to the point where they are unable to financially take care of themselves, the responsible thing is not to expect society to take over the burden of their care. This only encourages poor people to have health issues. If you can afford a cell phone, car payment, rent and food, then you obviously have enough money to pay for your own health care. People got to learn how to prioritize.

A person who bought a nice tv six months before getting injured at work is obviously stealing fro the system.