I thought coal was back

So it’s not socialism if there’s an intermediate step?

Paid directly to people. Again, this money goes into a fund first. Are income tax refunds redistribution? They work exactly the same way.

It’s not socialism because the state doesn’t own the means of production. They’re simply selling a resource from the land they own. That money then goes into a public fund. The amount also varies yearly depending on the amount extracted. Look it up.

Oh, and if the last 15 years on these boards has taught me anything it’s that yes, any and all taxes are a form of socialism.

So facts don’t matter, definitions of words don’t matter. Just the irrelevant opinions of random people on message boards. Alrighty then. :roll_eyes:

No, in general income tax refunds are giving tax money back to people who paid it. Some aspects of refunds may be redistribution since some are refundable past their income tax liability.

Alaska is taxing oil production and redistributing it to others. It’s redistribution. It doesn’t matter if it stops at a middle man.

You must love listening to our host, if the government even breaths on something it is called socialism, and all of the right follows suit.

Anything over their liability would be redistribution I agree. Now show me where the oil company is being taxed for more than they’re getting in return. I’ll wait.

Feel free to comment on anything I actually said. I’m not dealing with strawmen, thanks.

It doesn’t? It’s literally what you just said.

That doesn’t make any sense unless you’re suggesting Alaska gives oil companies a rebate for more than their liability, which obviously they don’t.

No one cares about your personal little sandbox. But carry on your hysterical debate about definitions, have fun :+1:

You apparently do since you felt the need to comment. Try contributing for a change. You might like it.

Alaska derives something like 50% of their entire revenue stream from oil and gas production. It would be impossible for them to refund them more money than their tax liability.

So if it’s an equal exchange, where is the redistribution?

This is July article.

US coal producer Alliance’s sales rise on exports

US coal producer Alliance Resource Partners’ sales jumped by nearly 24pc in the second quarter on a surge in exports and better than expected domestic utility demand.

Alliance sold 10.5mn short tons (9.5mn metric tonnes) of coal from April-June, up from 8.47mn st a year earlier, the company said.

Alliance last quarter made agreements to ship another 4.6mn st of exports over the next 12-18 months. For all of 2018, export sales are expected to reach about 11.1mn st. The company also booked an additional 8.9mn st of coal to be delivered to domestic customers through 2021.

“We are now essentially sold out for our planned production in 2018, Alliance chief executive Joseph Craft said.

I have no idea what you’re talking about. There is no “equal exchange”. The state takes money from the oil company and gives it to other people. It’s redistribution.

Of course there is. They’re paying the tax in exchange for the oil. More oil, higher tax. Where is the redistribution?

That’s their oil, not yours. They pumped it out of the ground not you.

Yes. They paid for it, with the tax. Where is the redistribution?