I think I might be a liberal

You (c) have added a moral element to it. A set of values.

And I do know you better than the image you have of yourself, because I know where the image originated.

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He wasn’t a liberal.

It’s always had a moral element to it. It’s immoral for children to work in factories for example. It’s immoral to refuse service to someone because they are gay and/or black.

No it’s not. In either case.

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The New Deal helped pave the way towards modern liberalism. Modern liberalism and progressivism have always had a lot of crossover.

Morals are relative so its pointless to argue it. I and many others consider it immoral for children to be working in factories instead of learning in school.

Call it whatever you want but today libs are not liberal by any definition.

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Relative to what?

It’s not pointless when you are imposing your morals on me.

Argumentum ad numerum? It’s not your child nor your factory.

Do you believe it’s moral for 13,000 foreign children to be in U.S. custody? Or should we send them home?

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Assuming by “ligs” you mean modern liberals, sure they are. Contrast them with socialists.

Why did you cut the other example out?

How is it moral to force me to serve somebody I don’t want to in my business?

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No they aren’t. There is no contrast.

Ooh You got him! Nice work!
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The person.

It’s pointless to the argument at hand… not in general.

So what? Am I not allowed to care about other children?

I didn’t get him, I’m clarifying. You guys keep inventing new words for your lexicon, so its good to be safe and not make assumptions.

What? What does that mean?

You imposing your morals is the argument at hand.

Care? Sure. Impose your morals using government guns? On what basis?

Us!

Good Lord. Have you looked at the new wokespeak at all?
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Depends how they are treated and what they are doing with them. The situation is too complicated to make such a blanket ruling on morality.

We’re not the ones who call socialists “modern liberals”.

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Depends on why you don’t want them in your business.