You (c) have added a moral element to it. A set of values.
And I do know you better than the image you have of yourself, because I know where the image originated.
You (c) have added a moral element to it. A set of values.
And I do know you better than the image you have of yourself, because I know where the image originated.
Roosevelt
He wasn’t a liberal.
fallenturtle: WuWei: fallenturtle:It’s still the case.
No, it isn’t. And you know it. You are superior.
Well since you think you know me better than I know myself, how is it not still the case?
You (c) have added a moral element to it. A set of values.
It’s always had a moral element to it. It’s immoral for children to work in factories for example. It’s immoral to refuse service to someone because they are gay and/or black.
It’s always had a moral element to it. It’s immoral for children to work in factories for example. It’s immoral to refuse service to someone because they are gay and/or black.
No it’s not. In either case.
fallenturtle:Roosevelt
He wasn’t a liberal.
The New Deal helped pave the way towards modern liberalism. Modern liberalism and progressivism have always had a lot of crossover.
fallenturtle:It’s always had a moral element to it. It’s immoral for children to work in factories for example. It’s immoral to refuse service to someone because they are gay and/or black.
No it’s not. In either case.
Morals are relative so its pointless to argue it. I and many others consider it immoral for children to be working in factories instead of learning in school.
Call it whatever you want but today libs are not liberal by any definition.
Morals are relative so its pointless to argue it.
Relative to what?
It’s not pointless when you are imposing your morals on me.
I and many others consider it immoral for children to be working in factories instead of learning in school.
Argumentum ad numerum? It’s not your child nor your factory.
Morals are relative so its pointless to argue it. I and many others consider it immoral for children to be working in factories instead of learning in school.
Do you believe it’s moral for 13,000 foreign children to be in U.S. custody? Or should we send them home?
Call it whatever you want but today ligs are not liberal by any definition.
Assuming by “ligs” you mean modern liberals, sure they are. Contrast them with socialists.
It’s immoral to refuse service to someone because they are gay and/or black.
I and many others consider it immoral for children to be working in factories instead of learning in school.
Why did you cut the other example out?
How is it moral to force me to serve somebody I don’t want to in my business?
conan:Call it whatever you want but today ligs are not liberal by any definition.
Assuming by “ligs” you mean modern liberals, sure they are. Contrast them with socialists.
No they aren’t. There is no contrast.
Assuming by “ligs”
Ooh You got him! Nice work!
Relative to what?
The person.
It’s not pointless when you are imposing your morals on me.
It’s pointless to the argument at hand… not in general.
Argumentum ad numerum? It’s not your child nor your factory.
So what? Am I not allowed to care about other children?
fallenturtle:Assuming by “ligs”
Ooh You got him! Nice work!
I didn’t get him, I’m clarifying. You guys keep inventing new words for your lexicon, so its good to be safe and not make assumptions.
The person.
What? What does that mean?
It’s pointless to the argument at hand… not in general.
You imposing your morals is the argument at hand.
So what? Am I not allowed to care about other children?
Care? Sure. Impose your morals using government guns? On what basis?
You guys keep inventing new words for your lexicon
Us!
Good Lord. Have you looked at the new wokespeak at all?
fallenturtle:Morals are relative so its pointless to argue it. I and many others consider it immoral for children to be working in factories instead of learning in school.
Do you believe it’s moral for 13,000 foreign children to be in U.S. custody? Or should we send them home?
Depends how they are treated and what they are doing with them. The situation is too complicated to make such a blanket ruling on morality.
I didn’t get him, I’m clarifying. You guys keep inventing new words for your lexicon, so its good to be safe and not make assumptions.
We’re not the ones who call socialists “modern liberals”.
How is it moral to force me to serve somebody I don’t want to in my business?
Depends on why you don’t want them in your business.