I know I am Conservative but Anti-vaxxers are starting to piss me off

Hahaha. seriously?

The only exemption in New York is medical and apparently none of these nurses have shown it.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Before this thread, I was open to those who maybe had a wait and see attitude, or had objections to it as a newer vaccination.

Seeing the OP data & her experiences with patients whose problems aren’t of their own doing turned away—heck I got turned away from an urgent care clinic, & I was not only fully masked & vaccinated, but what I wanted could have been handled at the front desk, which protects the receptionist with a barricade—I’m all for states mandating COVID-19 vaccinations, or presentation of a doctor’s proof of medical exemptions, with the only other option being job loss & $0.00 in Unemployment Insurance.

They’re hypocrites anyway. How many of those conscientious quitters squawked about proof of MMR immunization or immunity? Hepatitis B? The yearly TB screening even health care workers who don’t work directly with patients, like lab techs, must undergo, unless one test is positive for exposure?

They’re probably silent about those requirements. Hope the door doesn’t hit ‘em in the arse on the way out.

It appears vaccinated individuals, whether nurses or something else, may be less symptomatic & less likely to transmit this virus:

With many conditions treatable at home & procedures that at one time required an inpatient stay now being outpatient, most likely those requiring inpatient stays are among the most weakened.

IMO any personnel working with them should either be required to vaccinate, or show proof of exemption, which would include recovery from and antibodies to the virus.

Neither nor—bye bye :wave:

But that exemption isn’t being offered.

“I wonder what grades they got on their quizzes.”

Probably not so great. Those insulting others tend to have little to offer themselves.

Maybe we’ll all get lucky & with that high school mindset, they’ll get rejected for med school.

Or maybe, if they mature, they’ll realize they don’t have any patience or tolerance to work up front with patients and do something behind the scenes of health care.

Have met a few ex docs & nurses in my little behind the scenes role.

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It’s interesting that some of the states offer religious exemptions when no organized religion seems to take a stance against vaccinations:

Because people complain about pro-vaxxers being uncompassionate. God have mercy if any of those people go into medicine.

On second thought, maybe that exemption isn’t such a great idea. Duration of immunity from exposure is unknown:

Doesn’t look like the nurses who quit over this are going to be punished, quite the opposite.

More likely to get a substantial raise.

What’s the duration of vaccine immunity? More or less than having had covid already?

It appears immunity following both vaccinations is unknown:

However, those undergoing the vaccination tended to have more mild symptoms, unlike many unvaccinated, who tend to be the bulk of patients in ICU with this new form of an old virus.

So, the unvaccinated who have recovered from covid are not higher risk than the vaccinated. Any mandate should reflect that fact.

I don’t understand why you are raising objections with me.

Let me repeat myself:

“I simply stated what they believe. What they are saying. (“They”, being people arguing against the vaccine.)”

I am not defending their arguments. I am not saying I agree with them.

If you’re to take this stance, then you cannot logically accept a religious exemption, or any exemption that still puts the patient at risk. Viruses don’t care about exemptions.

Speaking of exempt, in Oregon medical personnel, police and fire fighters are exempt from being force vaccinated. Probably other states as well.

The same way when people who have had COVID only need to have one Phizer or Moderna shot instead of two to be considered “fully vaccinated.”

To prove someone had one or two shots of a vaccine, you could check their vaccination card.

How is that the same as pricing someone had covid?

So what’s the problem?

Pricing?

How do you prove someone had covid? There is no covid card. Moving forward you could do that, but I thought we were talking about people infected previous to today.

By testing for antibodies.

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m I wrong in thinking that is not 100%?

I have an employee who tested positive for covid and then negative for antibodies 3 months later.

He is suffering long covid symptoms, so his docs are sure he had it. But his antibodies say no.