HR-1 IS Election Fraud

[bigtwnvin]

Oh I dunno. Ask Jimmie Carter, he was talking mail in voter fraud 15 years ago!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/heed-jimmy-carter-on-the-danger-of-mail-in-voting-11586557667

[RTchoke]

@JayJay

@RTchoke

@sikofit

@bigtwnvin

Also, an absentee ballot should be requested from the election board and the voter verified. I did it for years long before this solicitation process was cooked up.

Utah introduced 100% unsolicited mail-in voting in 2013 and Republicans have never complained about their system once. (and still aren’t) Why not? Why is Utah diffeRent?

Not all counties do the 100% mail in voting. Without actually calling a county clerk to find the answer, you have to be an ACTIVE voter to get an unsolicited ballot. Not sure what defines an active voter. at least that is what I have found so far, but I gotta go so can’t get more detailed.

There are limitations to the process. They also require ID at the polls.

Just like there were the same or similar limitations to the unsolicited mail in ballots in other states.

So you’re now saying unsolicited mail ins are OK given the right circumstances.

Thanks…there’s a talking point dismantled.

No, I’m saying there is apparently a criteria in their explanation. you must be an ACTIVE voter. I don’t have their definition of what that constitutes. Is that someone who has voted in the past 5 elections? Someone who has voted in the past 2 elections? What constitutes an ACTIVE voter. They don’t send them to all REGISTERED voters.

There is a difference that means something in the way that is written.

And quit telling me what I said because you obviously aren’t listening.

[sikofit]

@bigtwnvin

Oh I dunno. Ask Jimmie Carter, he was talking mail in voter fraud 15 years ago!

I wasn’t asking what Jimmy Carter thinks. I was asking why havent Republicans had a problem with Utah for the last 7 years if unsolicited mail-in voting is prone to widespread fraud?

[sikofit]

@RTchoke

They don’t send them to all REGISTERED voters.

Neither did Pennsylvania or Georgia. Why is PA prone to fraud but not UT?

[Oldandtired]

63% of eu countries ban mail in ballots except for citizens living overseas. 22% of eu countries ban all mail in voting. Those that allow mail in ballots require ID and a valid reason for receiving a mail in ballot. These countries have learned the hard way that mail in voting is not secure and that a lot of fraud happens with mail in voting.

[JayJay]

@RTchoke

@JayJay

@RTchoke

@sikofit

@bigtwnvin

Also, an absentee ballot should be requested from the election board and the voter verified. I did it for years long before this solicitation process was cooked up.

Utah introduced 100% unsolicited mail-in voting in 2013 and Republicans have never complained about their system once. (and still aren’t) Why not? Why is Utah diffeRent?

Not all counties do the 100% mail in voting. Without actually calling a county clerk to find the answer, you have to be an ACTIVE voter to get an unsolicited ballot. Not sure what defines an active voter. at least that is what I have found so far, but I gotta go so can’t get more detailed.

There are limitations to the process. They also require ID at the polls.

Just like there were the same or similar limitations to the unsolicited mail in ballots in other states.

So you’re now saying unsolicited mail ins are OK given the right circumstances.

Thanks…there’s a talking point dismantled.

No, I’m saying there is apparently a criteria in their explanation. you must be an ACTIVE voter. I don’t have their definition of what that constitutes. Is that someone who has voted in the past 5 elections? Someone who has voted in the past 2 elections? What constitutes an ACTIVE voter. They don’t send them to all REGISTERED voters.

There is a difference that means something in the way that is written.

And quit telling me what I said because you obviously aren’t listening.

The states that sent out unsolicited ballots did the same thing.

They weren’t sent to everyone…only to people who had voted in the previous two elections.

Pennsylvania didn’t have unsolicited ballots sent…you had to request one…and the request got the same scrutiny that one gets for requesting to vote absentee.

So there was no real difference between how it’s done in Utah and how it was done in other states.

Only one that might have been different is Nevada.

[sikofit]

@JayJay

So there was no real difference between how it’s done in Utah and how it was done in other states

You aRe coRRect

[RTchoke]

@sikofit

@RTchoke

They don’t send them to all REGISTERED voters.

Neither did Pennsylvania or Georgia. Why is PA prone to fraud but not UT?

I don’t believe that was the question I answered.

Now you want to nit pick my answer and pretend like it doesn’t answer a totally different question?

[RTchoke]

@JayJay

@RTchoke

@JayJay

@RTchoke

@sikofit

@bigtwnvin

Also, an absentee ballot should be requested from the election board and the voter verified. I did it for years long before this solicitation process was cooked up.

Utah introduced 100% unsolicited mail-in voting in 2013 and Republicans have never complained about their system once. (and still aren’t) Why not? Why is Utah diffeRent?

Not all counties do the 100% mail in voting. Without actually calling a county clerk to find the answer, you have to be an ACTIVE voter to get an unsolicited ballot. Not sure what defines an active voter. at least that is what I have found so far, but I gotta go so can’t get more detailed.

There are limitations to the process. They also require ID at the polls.

Just like there were the same or similar limitations to the unsolicited mail in ballots in other states.

So you’re now saying unsolicited mail ins are OK given the right circumstances.

Thanks…there’s a talking point dismantled.

No, I’m saying there is apparently a criteria in their explanation. you must be an ACTIVE voter. I don’t have their definition of what that constitutes. Is that someone who has voted in the past 5 elections? Someone who has voted in the past 2 elections? What constitutes an ACTIVE voter. They don’t send them to all REGISTERED voters.

There is a difference that means something in the way that is written.

And quit telling me what I said because you obviously aren’t listening.

The states that sent out unsolicited ballots did the same thing.

They weren’t sent to everyone…only to people who had voted in the previous two elections.

Pennsylvania didn’t have unsolicited ballots sent…you had to request one…and the request got the same scrutiny that one gets for requesting to vote absentee.

So there was no real difference between how it’s done in Utah and how it was done in other states.

Only one that might have been different is Nevada.

I think you are under the impression I’m arguing a point I’m not trying to make. I only answered why UT may be different than other states. The claim was made UT was 100% mail in voting, which is not true as it’s county by county and not all counties are doing unsolicited mail in voting and there is apparently a limitation to active voters.

Any election irregularity argument you are trying to read into my posts is on you.

That was never the intended purpose of answering the first post I replied to.

[RTchoke]

You guys won, why are you all still so pissy about it?

[FreeAndClear]

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

@Camp

No.

It should be to teach and insist on civics.

Government is not a servant of ease.

Making it easier to exercise a right is not in the government’s purview?

Buy me AMMMMMMO!!!

Do you this his post sounds like someone arguing for second amendment restrictions except it’s the right to vote?

Because in my mind that’s what a universal background check argument sounds like

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

@Camp

No.

It should be to teach and insist on civics.

Government is not a servant of ease.

Making it easier to exercise a right is not in the government’s purview?

Buy me AMMMMMMO!!!

Do you this his post sounds like someone arguing for second amendment restrictions except it’s the right to vote?

Because in my mind that’s what a universal background check argument sounds like

Do you realize there are no diminished rights?

You want universal background checks to vote? A $200+ poll tax? A test? Submit fingerprints? “Special ID” you have to present on demand? Have to tell any cop who asks who you voted for?

[JayJay]

And we are pointing out that Utah is no different than the other states that offered the mail in balloting option.

Maybe you weren’t making this argument…but others are.

So far, there’s only one diffeRence between Utah and the other mail in states.

[RTchoke]

Um, you sure about that.

There were many states (I think around nine) that went 100% unsolicited to all on the voter rolls without any verification or restrictions based on previous voter activity.

[WuWei]

I don’t like the blind mailing and I don’t like dirty registration rolls. And I really don’t like using the latter to mail the former.

Ballots should be semi-controlled documents.

[FreeAndClear]

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

@Camp

No.

It should be to teach and insist on civics.

Government is not a servant of ease.

Making it easier to exercise a right is not in the government’s purview?

Buy me AMMMMMMO!!!

Do you this his post sounds like someone arguing for second amendment restrictions except it’s the right to vote?

Because in my mind that’s what a universal background check argument sounds like

Do you realize there are no diminished rights?

You want universal background checks to vote? A $200+ poll tax? A test? Submit fingerprints? “Special ID” you have to present on demand? Have to tell any cop who asks who you voted for?

No i don’t. That’s it! I don’t want any more restrictions on the right to own arms as compared to the right to vote. I want both to be as free as possible

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

@Camp

No.

It should be to teach and insist on civics.

Government is not a servant of ease.

Making it easier to exercise a right is not in the government’s purview?

Buy me AMMMMMMO!!!

Do you this his post sounds like someone arguing for second amendment restrictions except it’s the right to vote?

Because in my mind that’s what a universal background check argument sounds like

Do you realize there are no diminished rights?

You want universal background checks to vote? A $200+ poll tax? A test? Submit fingerprints? “Special ID” you have to present on demand? Have to tell any cop who asks who you voted for?

No i don’t. That’s it! I don’t want any more restrictions on the right to own arms as compared to the right to vote. I want both to be as free as possible

Then you need to take away the restrictions on the 2nd.

No right is diminished. No voter ID. No gun ID.

[Tom_Ch]

@Oldandtired

63% of eu countries ban mail in ballots except for citizens living overseas. 22% of eu countries ban all mail in voting. Those that allow mail in ballots require ID and a valid reason for receiving a mail in ballot. These countries have learned the hard way that mail in voting is not secure and that a lot of fraud happens with mail in voting.

So what? Are we listening to EU countries now? US voting system can be made safe and secure.

[biggestal99]

@RTchoke

You guys won, why are you all still so pissy about it?

You guys want to suppress citizen voting once again.

Allan

[Borgia_dude]

@gooddad409

Exactly. They don’t want anymore legitimate elections.

Let’s see. The only legitimate elections in the past 50 years were:

2016, 2004, 2000, 1988, 1984, 1980, 1972