How to destroy a nation

[TheRedComet]

Actually the British, the Spanish, and the French have done more to spread Christianity around the world than any other nations.

They forced their colonial subjects to adhere to Christianity. Which is why Christianity is widespread throughout Africa and South East Asia today.

It was done by force.

[Jezcoe]

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@TheRedComet

Forced religious observance in a public institution is anti-republicanism at its core.

The state can not compel someone to observe religious traditions they do not adhere to.

Prayer in public institutions such as schools is acceptable if it is entirely voluntary and there is no state coercion. Also, the state actors must make every accommodation necessary for the non-theists and alternate theists, allowing them to leave and return without being accosted once the said prayer is finished.

To push faith upon the non faithful is both arrogant and immoral.

I’m not advocating coerced prayer. Yes it is pointless. I am suggesting that there was a time in our country, not too long ago, when the Christian values that influenced and shaped our country, we’re prevalent enough that no one was offended when offered up by prayer in schools. I don’t think we are better off by them being removed.

Fun fact.

It was Catholics in Philly that got the Bible removed from the schools. They didn’t want their kids to become Protestants.

This led to the nativist riots in 1844.

So… it want too long ago when the term “Christian Values” was brought up the question became “whose Christian values”?

I’m not a Catholic and I believe a lot of what Catholics believe is not Biblical Christianity. That being said, I believe all denominations, sects and Christian groups, however they are divided, have done as much or more to harm the cause of Christ than atheists and secularists. It was also in the 19th century when a multitude of Bibles began coming out, each with different doctrines.

Since our government doesn’t rule by force, Satan had to use other means to diminish and remove God from our consciousness. Disinformation is a tactic he’s been using for centuries. The results of this are just really coming to fruition fairly recently- and will get progressively worse.

When you ask " whose Christian values" my answer is: what Christ inspired and preserved in his word. Step outside of that and you can see the results.

Great.

Because there is no common ground even within Christian sects as to the path to save a soul, It is not the role of the Government to save souls.

That’s the point.

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@TheRedComet

Actually the British, the Spanish, and the French have done more to spread Christianity around the world than any other nations.

They forced their colonial subjects to adhere to Christianity. Which is why Christianity is widespread throughout Africa and South East Asia today.

It was done by force.

A people forced against their will, remain a rebellious people still.

Evil done in Christ’s name is not, by definition, Christian. I have said that churches, sects and “Christian” groups have done more to harm the cause of Christ than atheists and secularists.

What they spread was not Christianity.

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@Jezcoe

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@TheRedComet

Forced religious observance in a public institution is anti-republicanism at its core.

The state can not compel someone to observe religious traditions they do not adhere to.

Prayer in public institutions such as schools is acceptable if it is entirely voluntary and there is no state coercion. Also, the state actors must make every accommodation necessary for the non-theists and alternate theists, allowing them to leave and return without being accosted once the said prayer is finished.

To push faith upon the non faithful is both arrogant and immoral.

I’m not advocating coerced prayer. Yes it is pointless. I am suggesting that there was a time in our country, not too long ago, when the Christian values that influenced and shaped our country, we’re prevalent enough that no one was offended when offered up by prayer in schools. I don’t think we are better off by them being removed.

Fun fact.

It was Catholics in Philly that got the Bible removed from the schools. They didn’t want their kids to become Protestants.

This led to the nativist riots in 1844.

So… it want too long ago when the term “Christian Values” was brought up the question became “whose Christian values”?

I’m not a Catholic and I believe a lot of what Catholics believe is not Biblical Christianity. That being said, I believe all denominations, sects and Christian groups, however they are divided, have done as much or more to harm the cause of Christ than atheists and secularists. It was also in the 19th century when a multitude of Bibles began coming out, each with different doctrines.

Since our government doesn’t rule by force, Satan had to use other means to diminish and remove God from our consciousness. Disinformation is a tactic he’s been using for centuries. The results of this are just really coming to fruition fairly recently- and will get progressively worse.

When you ask " whose Christian values" my answer is: what Christ inspired and preserved in his word. Step outside of that and you can see the results.

Great.

Because there is no common ground even within Christian sects as to the path to save a soul, It is not the role of the Government to save souls.

That’s the point.

You are correct, but it is not the role if government to hinder the saving of souls either. That’s what Satan must hinder and why he is working so hard to destroy.

[Jezcoe]

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@Jezcoe

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@Jezcoe

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@TheRedComet

Forced religious observance in a public institution is anti-republicanism at its core.

The state can not compel someone to observe religious traditions they do not adhere to.

Prayer in public institutions such as schools is acceptable if it is entirely voluntary and there is no state coercion. Also, the state actors must make every accommodation necessary for the non-theists and alternate theists, allowing them to leave and return without being accosted once the said prayer is finished.

To push faith upon the non faithful is both arrogant and immoral.

I’m not advocating coerced prayer. Yes it is pointless. I am suggesting that there was a time in our country, not too long ago, when the Christian values that influenced and shaped our country, we’re prevalent enough that no one was offended when offered up by prayer in schools. I don’t think we are better off by them being removed.

Fun fact.

It was Catholics in Philly that got the Bible removed from the schools. They didn’t want their kids to become Protestants.

This led to the nativist riots in 1844.

So… it want too long ago when the term “Christian Values” was brought up the question became “whose Christian values”?

I’m not a Catholic and I believe a lot of what Catholics believe is not Biblical Christianity. That being said, I believe all denominations, sects and Christian groups, however they are divided, have done as much or more to harm the cause of Christ than atheists and secularists. It was also in the 19th century when a multitude of Bibles began coming out, each with different doctrines.

Since our government doesn’t rule by force, Satan had to use other means to diminish and remove God from our consciousness. Disinformation is a tactic he’s been using for centuries. The results of this are just really coming to fruition fairly recently- and will get progressively worse.

When you ask " whose Christian values" my answer is: what Christ inspired and preserved in his word. Step outside of that and you can see the results.

Great.

Because there is no common ground even within Christian sects as to the path to save a soul, It is not the role of the Government to save souls.

That’s the point.

You are correct, but it is not the role if government to hinder the saving of souls either. That’s what Satan must hinder and why he is working so hard to destroy.

Where has our government ever “hindered” the saving of souls?

Souls get saved tax free here.

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@Jezcoe

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@TheRedComet

Forced religious observance in a public institution is anti-republicanism at its core.

The state can not compel someone to observe religious traditions they do not adhere to.

Prayer in public institutions such as schools is acceptable if it is entirely voluntary and there is no state coercion. Also, the state actors must make every accommodation necessary for the non-theists and alternate theists, allowing them to leave and return without being accosted once the said prayer is finished.

To push faith upon the non faithful is both arrogant and immoral.

I’m not advocating coerced prayer. Yes it is pointless. I am suggesting that there was a time in our country, not too long ago, when the Christian values that influenced and shaped our country, we’re prevalent enough that no one was offended when offered up by prayer in schools. I don’t think we are better off by them being removed.

Fun fact.

It was Catholics in Philly that got the Bible removed from the schools. They didn’t want their kids to become Protestants.

This led to the nativist riots in 1844.

So… it want too long ago when the term “Christian Values” was brought up the question became “whose Christian values”?

I’m not a Catholic and I believe a lot of what Catholics believe is not Biblical Christianity. That being said, I believe all denominations, sects and Christian groups, however they are divided, have done as much or more to harm the cause of Christ than atheists and secularists. It was also in the 19th century when a multitude of Bibles began coming out, each with different doctrines.

Since our government doesn’t rule by force, Satan had to use other means to diminish and remove God from our consciousness. Disinformation is a tactic he’s been using for centuries. The results of this are just really coming to fruition fairly recently- and will get progressively worse.

When you ask " whose Christian values" my answer is: what Christ inspired and preserved in his word. Step outside of that and you can see the results.

Great.

Because there is no common ground even within Christian sects as to the path to save a soul, It is not the role of the Government to save souls.

That’s the point.

You are correct, but it is not the role if government to hinder the saving of souls either. That’s what Satan must hinder and why he is working so hard to destroy.

Where has our government ever “hindered” the saving of souls?

Souls get saved tax free here.

The government doesn’t care whether souls are won or not. The government cares about ideas people will fight for. Some Christians believe in saving souls, others in charity. You can not gain control of people with strong religious beliefs.

[Jezcoe]

Well that last part is demonstrably false… but other than that I am not sure what the point is.

[TheRedComet]

Uhm… The peasantry of medieval Europe were extremely religious folk. And yet they were forcibly tied to the land by the nobility and literally had to work for free when the nobles called upon them. Religion was used as a tool to control them.

[JayJay]

Oh so you’re only IMAGINING the day when you’ll be persecuted.

Sometime…one of these days…

[carpe_diem]

Well, just a thought, but I’m sure if the baby could talk, and had a chance to vote,
he or she would vote for living.

Than again I’m a Republican, and am against murder. lol.

Ultimately, that would make it a two to one vote.

Or does the babies opinion not matter? lol.

I GUESS FREEDOMS OF A HUMAN BEING ONLY START
ONCE A CHILD GETS OUTSIDE OF THE WOMB?

[Borgia_dude]

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@Jezcoe

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@TheRedComet

Forced religious observance in a public institution is anti-republicanism at its core.

The state can not compel someone to observe religious traditions they do not adhere to.

Prayer in public institutions such as schools is acceptable if it is entirely voluntary and there is no state coercion. Also, the state actors must make every accommodation necessary for the non-theists and alternate theists, allowing them to leave and return without being accosted once the said prayer is finished.

To push faith upon the non faithful is both arrogant and immoral.

I’m not advocating coerced prayer. Yes it is pointless. I am suggesting that there was a time in our country, not too long ago, when the Christian values that influenced and shaped our country, we’re prevalent enough that no one was offended when offered up by prayer in schools. I don’t think we are better off by them being removed.

Fun fact.

It was Catholics in Philly that got the Bible removed from the schools. They didn’t want their kids to become Protestants.

This led to the nativist riots in 1844.

So… it want too long ago when the term “Christian Values” was brought up the question became “whose Christian values”?

I’m not a Catholic and I believe a lot of what Catholics believe is not Biblical Christianity. That being said, I believe all denominations, sects and Christian groups, however they are divided, have done as much or more to harm the cause of Christ than atheists and secularists. It was also in the 19th century when a multitude of Bibles began coming out, each with different doctrines.

Since our government doesn’t rule by force, Satan had to use other means to diminish and remove God from our consciousness. Disinformation is a tactic he’s been using for centuries. The results of this are just really coming to fruition fairly recently- and will get progressively worse.

When you ask " whose Christian values" my answer is: what Christ inspired and preserved in his word. Step outside of that and you can see the results.

Great.

Because there is no common ground even within Christian sects as to the path to save a soul, It is not the role of the Government to save souls.

That’s the point.

You are correct, but it is not the role if government to hinder the saving of souls either. That’s what Satan must hinder and why he is working so hard to destroy.

Doesn’t everything unfold as per God’s plan? Can Satan modify God’s plan?

[Borgia_dude]

@carpe_diem

Well, just a thought, but I’m sure if the baby could talk, and had a chance to vote,
he or she would vote for living.

Than again I’m a Republican, and am against murder. lol.

Ultimately, that would make it a two to one vote.

Or does the babies opinion not matter? lol.

I GUESS FREEDOMS OF A HUMAN BEING ONLY START
ONCE A CHILD GETS OUTSIDE OF THE WOMB?

So of the two people with a voice, you think the father should be able to overrule the mother if he chooses life?

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@Jezcoe

Well that last part is demonstrably false… but other than that I am not sure what the point is.

I should have said, you can’t subdue a people with strong religious beliefs. As I said in my OP, people will fight and die for their God.

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@TheRedComet

Uhm… The peasantry of medieval Europe were extremely religious folk. And yet they were forcibly tied to the land by the nobility and literally had to work for free when the nobles called upon them. Religion was used as a tool to control them.

Fear and ignorance controlled them, but countless martyrs went to their deaths because of their holding to truth.

[Jezcoe]

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@Jezcoe

Well that last part is demonstrably false… but other than that I am not sure what the point is.

I should have said, you can’t subdue a people with strong religious beliefs. As I said in my OP, people will fight and die for their God.

As I said before.

That idea is demonstrably false.

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@Borgia_dude

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@Jezcoe

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@Jezcoe

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@TheRedComet

Forced religious observance in a public institution is anti-republicanism at its core.

The state can not compel someone to observe religious traditions they do not adhere to.

Prayer in public institutions such as schools is acceptable if it is entirely voluntary and there is no state coercion. Also, the state actors must make every accommodation necessary for the non-theists and alternate theists, allowing them to leave and return without being accosted once the said prayer is finished.

To push faith upon the non faithful is both arrogant and immoral.

I’m not advocating coerced prayer. Yes it is pointless. I am suggesting that there was a time in our country, not too long ago, when the Christian values that influenced and shaped our country, we’re prevalent enough that no one was offended when offered up by prayer in schools. I don’t think we are better off by them being removed.

Fun fact.

It was Catholics in Philly that got the Bible removed from the schools. They didn’t want their kids to become Protestants.

This led to the nativist riots in 1844.

So… it want too long ago when the term “Christian Values” was brought up the question became “whose Christian values”?

I’m not a Catholic and I believe a lot of what Catholics believe is not Biblical Christianity. That being said, I believe all denominations, sects and Christian groups, however they are divided, have done as much or more to harm the cause of Christ than atheists and secularists. It was also in the 19th century when a multitude of Bibles began coming out, each with different doctrines.

Since our government doesn’t rule by force, Satan had to use other means to diminish and remove God from our consciousness. Disinformation is a tactic he’s been using for centuries. The results of this are just really coming to fruition fairly recently- and will get progressively worse.

When you ask " whose Christian values" my answer is: what Christ inspired and preserved in his word. Step outside of that and you can see the results.

Great.

Because there is no common ground even within Christian sects as to the path to save a soul, It is not the role of the Government to save souls.

That’s the point.

You are correct, but it is not the role if government to hinder the saving of souls either. That’s what Satan must hinder and why he is working so hard to destroy.

Doesn’t everything unfold as per God’s plan? Can Satan modify God’s plan?

The plan if salvation had been carried out, as will prophecy be carried out exactly as laid out in scripture, but we as individuals have the choice of applying Gods will to our lives.

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@Jezcoe

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@Jezcoe

Well that last part is demonstrably false… but other than that I am not sure what the point is.

I should have said, you can’t subdue a people with strong religious beliefs. As I said in my OP, people will fight and die for their God.

As I said before.

That idea is demonstrably false.

It’s also not the only thing being done to destroy our nation. Family, country, wealth and freedom are the other things people will fight and die for.

[Jezcoe]

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@Jezcoe

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@Jezcoe

Well that last part is demonstrably false… but other than that I am not sure what the point is.

I should have said, you can’t subdue a people with strong religious beliefs. As I said in my OP, people will fight and die for their God.

As I said before.

That idea is demonstrably false.

It’s also not the only thing being done to destroy our nation. Family, country, wealth and freedom are the other things people will fight and die for.

Historically people have fought to preserve the wealth of the ruling class, not their own.

We still do.

[TheRedComet]

War (historically speaking) is typically the young men of the lower and middle classes going to fight and die for what ultimately amounts to the sins and vanities of old men from a generation removed.

The question for the old nobility becomes “how does one inspire someone with either nothing or very little to fight and die for my cause?”

Simple. Stress nationalism, religion, the monarchy, the republic, the satanic nature of the enemy, so on and so forth to the common folk and they will gladly take up arms. Even if they ultimately have more in common with their immediate opponent than they do with the ruling class that sent them to hell in the first place.

[carpe_diem]

@Borgia_dude

Well, just a thought, but I’m sure if the baby could talk, and had a chance to vote,
he or she would vote for living.

Than again I’m a Republican, and am against murder. lol.

Ultimately, that would make it a two to one vote.

Or does the babies opinion not matter? lol.

I GUESS FREEDOMS OF A HUMAN BEING ONLY START
ONCE A CHILD GETS OUTSIDE OF THE WOMB?

So of the two people with a voice, you think the father should be able to overrule the mother if he chooses life?

Yes. Because the baby should have a voice also, and the baby is always
going to chose life. So that’s a vote of 2 against 1. How many guys normally
want a woman to get an abortion, but she doesn’t want one? She should keep
the baby, because the ratio is still 2 to one.

I guess the man’s point of view shouldn’t count though?
The woman must have slipped on a banana peel, and ended
up pregnant magically.

I wonder back when Rowe vs. Wade came out, if most of the male Democratic
Politicians were like yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees! After they get their mistress’s
pregnant, they can just go have an Abortion???