How should the State Department respond to the latest "unprovoked attack"?

@Bill.in.PA just curious, is your name the same on the conspiracies forums??

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Yes, Jimmy Carter arguably has the worst performance of any president in modern history. My theory in the past for his poor performance was because Carter was an engineer, and he spent too much time micromanaging things.

My current theory is that a bigger problem may be that Carter made powerful enemies within the military-industrial-surveillance complex. Here are some examples:

  1. Carter cut the budget for the CIA and laid off operatives, an unforgivable sin.

  2. Carter successfully prosecuted Mark Felt, the FBI supervisor who directed illegal warrantless COINTELPRO surveillance. Felt’s conviction was another unforgivable sin.

  3. Mark Felt was also “Deep Throat” who used FBI leaks to bring down the Nixon presidency. Nixon won in a landslide in 1972 with his policy of detente with Soviets and opening relations with Communist China. As a result of these policies there were massive layoffs in the defense and aerospace industries. Prosecuting Felt was an unforgivable sin in multiple ways.

The same people who brought down Nixon, may well have sabotaged Carter. The successful effort to delay the release of the Iranian hostages is one example of how that was done.

Immediately after taking office in 1981, Reagan pardoned Felt before he was sentenced. Reagan immediately started a major increase in military spending. In addition, he had George Bush as his VP. While Bush’s had been CIA director for a year, his ties to the agency appear to be much deeper. It is not an accident that the agency operates out of George Bush Center for Intelligence. Reagan’s victory was a major win for the military-industrial-surveillance complex.

Nope. So long as Iran refuses to recognize Israel and funds terrorist groups hostile to the Israeli state then they should do what they feel as necessary.

Kind of sad how the Iranian government acts. Israel and Iran used to be close allies. Even after the revolution they were clandestine allies; Israel was one of the few countries to assist Iran against Iraq.

And the Israeli attack on Osirak was basically a joint operation; Iran not only attacked the reactor a year before but they also overflew the reactor complex shortly before the Israeli strike and provided Israel with valuable intelligence. Once Iraq was no longer a threat Iran decided to do a complete 180.

Once the mullahs are gone I could see things returning to that. Hopefully. The Jewish and Persian peoples have a long history together. It wasn’t always hostile. Even in the 20th century.

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Thanks for the info. I was always focused on irans nutty president, Ahmadinejad, that i never gave irans people any merit for wanting a stable relationship with israel.

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Unprovoked? Man, you guys are really spinning stuff now.

https://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/

You guys are too easy.

Yes, and the US government has been developing plans to wipe Russia off the map and create NATO puppet states, but the State Department insists that the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been “unprovoked”. Clearly plans do not qualify as provocation.

You can’t stop them. They have just as much a right to them as the countries that already have them.

I’ll bet we could if we actually wanted to. :sunglasses:

The attacks on Iran have occurred with at least tacit support from the US, and the proxy war in Ukraine is a driving factor. Iran and Russia have been developing closer relations, and the US believes the Iran has been supplying weapons to Russia.

Russia has condemned the recent attacks on Iran and denies that it has been using Iranian weapons in Ukraine.

Of course, Russia accuses Ukraine of war crimes as well. The alleged crimes include bombing civilians in Donbass using NATO-supplied HIMARS missiles and artillery. If supplying weapons to Russia justifies attacks on Iran, then what would that logic mean for NATO factories and warehouses that supply weapons to Ukraine?

Not every international occurence deserves yarn on your conspiracy board. The tit-for-tat between Iran and Israel long predates the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Sure, the two countries (Iran and Russia) have a common enemy, but there is nothing new there either.

In short, this is another of your innumerable post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacies.

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Ukraine/Russia is not the only factor in apparent US support for the attacks on Iran. The BRICS membership application for Iran and warming relations between Iran and the Saudis are also factors. The Iranian strikes may be a shot across the bow for the Saudis.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/we-will-resume-talks-soon-to-normalise-ties-with-saudi-arabia-iranian-fm-123013000055_1.html

Israel is surrounded by countries that hate it, with the more extreme countries vowing to wipe them off the map. It’s a sure bet then that any Democrat administration is going to side with Israel’s enemies.

This is really stupid. Israel has been willing and able to kick the asses of every country that has attacked it since it was reformed, and probably would be doing so to the terrorist countries if the US would stop interfering. Let Israel loose on the terrorists. It would give them something to worry about besides plotting against America.

Israel is not going to lose. We ought to be supporting them…

Yeah, that only follows if you ignore the decades of antagonism between America and Iran.

Another post hoc ergo propter hoc bit of yarn for your board

The relationship dates back to the time of the Torah.

Cyrus the Great was one of the Israelites greatest heroes. He defeated the Neo-Babylonian Empire and returned the enslaved Jews to Israel.

During the time of the Shah both Israel and Iran were very close allies. Iran was one of only two majority Muslim countries to recognize Israel; the other was Turkey. They also had a vibrant Jewish minority population that was treated fairly.

Then the Revolution happened in 1979 and ended all of that. They remained allies in regards to Iraq. But after the Iran-Iraq war was settled the Islamic Republic became extremely hostile to Israel and began financially and materially supporting Palestinian terrorist groups.

It’s a shame how it all turned out. And it won’t return to the previous status quo until the Mullahs are overthrown. Hopefully the Iranian people can do that one day.

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Stunning

Iran has as much standing as Russia to complain about countries interfering in other country’s affairs.

Yes, only the US is allowed to do such things.

So we are in an undeclared war with Iran. That puts protesting about attacks on Iran as not something they can reasonably expect us to be doing.