How much of the world's poverty do you believe the US can provide free stuff for?

He’s not factoring the detrimental impact of an exploding welfare state, along with the detrimental sociological impacts regarding healthcare, schooling, etc., with exponentially increasing our population.

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I didn’t assign any number. I asked.

and then repeatedly accused me of having a “predisposed” number.

A false accusation based on your imaginary strawman.

This! The idea that incessantly flooding the US with the world’s poverty will lead to untold prosperity is pure nonsense.

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Total straw man :joy:

There you are predisposing.

Is welfare indefinite?

It’s Crazyland. :crazy_face:

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I’ve already addressed what you are trying to argue before in the OP as it considers this in the context of our current situation at the border, which involves an incessant flow of the world’s poverty into the country. And as noted before the statistics in the OP is under our more moderate approaches to immigration. So, as I said before, just imagine incessantly flooding the country year after year after year with millions upon millions of people who are uneducated, have no marketable skills, don’t speak the language and come from abject poverty. If the welfare statistics are currently 60% what do you think they will be under this open border’s scenario? More likely close to 100%! Furthermore, as I also noted before, no sane country believes that good immigration policy involves bringing in millions and millions of people year after year after year to grow its welfare state with the hope that maybe sometime down the road the people won’t need it.

Nonetheless, I’ll make some further observations related to what you are asking about. So, with regards immigrant households here’s this:

In a new analysis of the latest numbers, from 2014, 63 percent of non-citizens are using a welfare program, and it grows to 70 percent for those here 10 years or more, confirming another concern that once immigrants tap into welfare, they don’t get off it.

Another way to answer your question would be “as long as they economically qualify”, to which I have asked; what percentage of these people coming from abject poverty, with no education, no marketable skills, and don’t speak English, are going to get good paying jobs and/or move up the economic ladder to support themselves and a family in the US? Not many. Lastly, I would emphasize, depending upon the source, things like healthcare costs and education (which are the two biggest) are not necessarily included (education is actually never included) in statistics on welfare.

If all of them go on welfare for the first year they are here, what does that tell you?

Different states have different rules I believe, and Federal has it’s own programs and rules as well from my understanding. There’s also various forms of “welfare”, i.e. that don’t fall under the idea of one simply receiving a welfare check. There’s SNAP (formerly known as food stamps), housing assistance, EIC, TANF, etc. The two biggest costs though are Healthcare and schooling.

I might be open to a one for one swap of accepting 1 illegal for every hard core woke lib that exits the country.

Anybody else with me? :man_shrugging: :grinning:

In some sense yes, welfare is indefinite:

There’s about 4 billion people in the world who could use US provided welfare. Maybe that’s the ultimate endgame for the Democrats.

Here’s another form of welfare for these phony asylum seekers:

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Because that has never worked. They way to get out of poverty is to finish high school, don’t do drugs, don’t have kids before you marry and learn a marketable skill. This works almost 100 percent of the time.

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Actually, if avoiding poverty is the only goal you don’t even have to learn a marketable skill.
Federal poverty threshold for a household of one works out to $7.15/hour.
Meanwhile:
Federal Min wage =$7.25 an hour
McDonald’s non-mgmt average wage = $12.35. ($25,194/year)
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But you are correct
Poverty in America has less to do with changes in wages
and much much more to do with changes in households (single parenting)

Two average non-mgmt McEmployees make ($25,194 each) a combined $50,388/year.
As long as they keep themselves to six or fewer kids they are not only not in poverty they are middle class.

Tells me more invaders will come. And they have.

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Here’s hoping an elected Republican President after sworn in Jan 2025 signs an EO rescinding this and all other giveaways to illegal invaders. ■■■■ that “migrant” bull ■■■■ con and waiting for their hearing 8-10 years from now. ■■■■ ‘em go back to wherever you came from. Why should American taxpayers be paying one dime for their support?

Here’s another “benefit” (in the minds of libs that is), overcrowded and underfunded schools!

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When you realize that progressives want the US to accept third world living standards, their immigration policy makes sense.

When you hear Democrats talk about asylum it’s vital to them that EVERYONE IN WORLD should absolutely have the right to seek asylum in the US. There’s probably about 4 billion people in the world living in poverty or abject poverty. So if even just 10% of them can qualify for asylum that’s 400 million people.

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