How much of the world's poverty do you believe the US can provide free stuff for?

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

I don’t disagree that may be the model is all wrong.

Who built the model and decided the metrics? Governments.

[FreeAndClear]

Yes. Self eating snake

[FreeAndClear]

It actually is happening in Germany and Japan. It’s not balderdash

[WuWei]

Well, there you go. We need fewer people and less government.

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

It actually is happening in Germany and Japan. It’s not balderdash

Is it? Or are they trying to force the bad model on their people?

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

It actually is happening in Germany and Japan. It’s not balderdash

What did COVID teach us?

[WuWei]

With bigger populations do we need bigger governments?

Who benefits?

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

Question: Why is it USGOV responsibility to be stepdad to all these hole country governments the “refugees” voted for?

They got parents.

was it the US responsibility to welcome cubans to American because of the govt they had.

yet we did, with open arms. with the dry foot policy.

Allan

[WuWei]

No, it wasn’t. They didn’t vote for that government.

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

No, it wasn’t. They didn’t vote for that government.

a country that shall remain nameless held elections.theleader took over and we welcomed certain refugees from that country.

its not always so simple as you make it out to be.

Allan

[WuWei]

What? There was a revolution in Cuba.

[FreeAndClear]

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

As the birth population drops this will in turn drop the work ages population that will result in shortages

Balderdash. If there are fewer people, there will be fewer companies and therefore fewer job demands.

5% or more of the population isn’t working already.

That’s my whole point. The switch from the bigger economy to smaller economy will result in drastic cuts which will in turn lead to other economic indicators dropping. Of course eventually the economy will contract to the point where fewer people are needed. Meanwhile recession.

[FreeAndClear]

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

It actually is happening in Germany and Japan. It’s not balderdash

Is it? Or are they trying to force the bad model on their people?

The job shortages are real and not just in the public sector

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

As the birth population drops this will in turn drop the work ages population that will result in shortages

Balderdash. If there are fewer people, there will be fewer companies and therefore fewer job demands.

5% or more of the population isn’t working already.

That’s my whole point. The switch from the bigger economy to smaller economy will result in drastic cuts which will in turn lead to other economic indicators dropping. Of course eventually the economy will contract to the point where fewer people are needed. Meanwhile recession.

No! There is no switch. It is a natural evolution. Stop having so many kids. The economy will take care of itself-it’s a reaction.

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

@WuWei

@FreeAndClear

It actually is happening in Germany and Japan. It’s not balderdash

Is it? Or are they trying to force the bad model on their people?

The job shortages are real and not just in the public sector

Are the jobs necessary?

[FreeAndClear]

Yes to the government

[WuWei]

@FreeAndClear

Yes to the government

So… no.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@FreeAndClear

@Eagle-Keeper

@FreeAndClear

Tenements were a thing.
That’s why the welfare state in part was created and is a necessity

Now you are contradicting yourself. Your entire argument has that a welfare state is not a necessity!

No it is not my argument. My argument has been the length of time immigrants spend on welfare and why that’s an important stat

Which, as @Gaius has pointed out, you have ZERO data on! Here’s a more extensive look at this:

Welfare Use by Immigrants and the U.S.-Born

Please tell me what percentage of these people coming from abject poverty, no education, no marketable skills, and don’t speak English, are going to get good paying jobs to support themselves and a family in the US (a country with a HIGH COST OF LIVING - specifically healthcare and education)?

[FreeAndClear]

You are not understanding what i am saying.

Those numbers exist. That particular entity for some reason isn’t tracking it.

With respect to @Gaius He doesn’t have the numbers either. Just predisposition.

[Gaius]

I have no particular prdispostion.
I have not stated whether I think 10% or 100% of illegal immigrants stay on welfare.

You simply assigned an imaginary number to my argument and then countered that.