Who built the model and decided the metrics? Governments.
Yes. Self eating snake
It actually is happening in Germany and Japan. Itâs not balderdash
Well, there you go. We need fewer people and less government.
Is it? Or are they trying to force the bad model on their people?
What did COVID teach us?
With bigger populations do we need bigger governments?
Who benefits?
was it the US responsibility to welcome cubans to American because of the govt they had.
yet we did, with open arms. with the dry foot policy.
Allan
No, it wasnât. They didnât vote for that government.
a country that shall remain nameless held elections.theleader took over and we welcomed certain refugees from that country.
its not always so simple as you make it out to be.
Allan
What? There was a revolution in Cuba.
Thatâs my whole point. The switch from the bigger economy to smaller economy will result in drastic cuts which will in turn lead to other economic indicators dropping. Of course eventually the economy will contract to the point where fewer people are needed. Meanwhile recession.
FreeAndClear:
It actually is happening in Germany and Japan. Itâs not balderdash
Is it? Or are they trying to force the bad model on their people?
The job shortages are real and not just in the public sector
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
As the birth population drops this will in turn drop the work ages population that will result in shortages
Balderdash. If there are fewer people, there will be fewer companies and therefore fewer job demands.
5% or more of the population isnât working already.
Thatâs my whole point. The switch from the bigger economy to smaller economy will result in drastic cuts which will in turn lead to other economic indicators dropping. Of course eventually the economy will contract to the point where fewer people are needed. Meanwhile recession.
No! There is no switch. It is a natural evolution. Stop having so many kids. The economy will take care of itself-itâs a reaction.
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
It actually is happening in Germany and Japan. Itâs not balderdash
Is it? Or are they trying to force the bad model on their people?
The job shortages are real and not just in the public sector
Are the jobs necessary?
Yes to the government ![]()
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Yes to the government
So⌠no.
Eagle-Keeper:
FreeAndClear:
Tenements were a thing.
Thatâs why the welfare state in part was created and is a necessityNow you are contradicting yourself. Your entire argument has that a welfare state is not a necessity!
No it is not my argument. My argument has been the length of time immigrants spend on welfare and why thatâs an important stat
Which, as @Gaius has pointed out, you have ZERO data on! Hereâs a more extensive look at this:
https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrants-and-USBorn
Please tell me what percentage of these people coming from abject poverty, no education, no marketable skills, and donât speak English, are going to get good paying jobs to support themselves and a family in the US (a country with a HIGH COST OF LIVING - specifically healthcare and education)?
You are not understanding what i am saying.
Those numbers exist. That particular entity for some reason isnât tracking it.
With respect to @Gaius He doesnât have the numbers either. Just predisposition.
I have no particular prdispostion.
I have not stated whether I think 10% or 100% of illegal immigrants stay on welfare.
You simply assigned an imaginary number to my argument and then countered that.