Let me ask you this. How many people would go to college if there were no prospect of getting a good paying job afterwards?
Is this a joke?
The CEC is strong with this one, Luke.
i got a degree in accounting that has earned me 100 times more than it cost…
Very good! You get a cookie.
psychology
Are you a Zoroastrian?
When everyone has a degree, they aren’t worth as much. Certainly explains why tuitions keep rising, doesn’t it?
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Of course their majors.
And then the government got involved to make college “more affordable”. Look at how well that has worked out with college. How well will if work for other things the government promises to make more affordable?
Maybe that’s part of the problem here. Too many are equating college with job when, if one looks up anything about resume writing, it’s generally advised to put experience first.
Who wants to hire college grads with minimal, if any, work experience?
Some prospective employers are downright skeptical when it comes to such a person.
Also, really the only majors that should guarantee a job are vocational in nature, like accounting, engineering, nursing, and in at least one of these licensure exams must be passed.
Why can’t some classes be strictly for learning? Why must everything be related to one’s major?
That’s called a vocational program. Matter of fact, that’s what one of the two and a half year programs for nursing at a particular community college once near me resembles.
Well I think we can both agree that there are other ways of learning than sitting in a classroom listening to a professor lecture. And these other ways are much less expensive. Much of the knowledge provided in higher education is not proprietary, in particulary the liberal arts. We can all go online and learn just as much history, sociology, political science, etc., as one would in a classroom. Also the fact is that everyone gets a significant liberal arts education in high school.
If you read some of the articles in the OP they indicate just that. What should have been done is to make the colleges back these student loans. If they think they are putting out such a great product let them back it like other companies do. I would love to see how things would change if that were done.
That largely depends on whether it is a two or four year degree program, along with the specific profession.
Goverment never claimed to make college more affordable. They claimed to make it more accessible…
We, as a society, decided a long time ago, that people have the right to get a basic education. For many years, that only required education up to 14 years of age. (a lot fo this was state by state).
At some point, it was decided that people need more education to be contributing member of the workforce and society, and the norm became education til the age of 18. (wealthy people generally went on to college, as they could afford it).
Many state colleges started, and tuition was very affordable, some even free.
With todays’s economy, work requirements for many posittions being higher, we are at a point where, we as a society need to provide college level degrees for free…just like a HS Diploma.
I also concur that college is not for everyone, and there are many good paying jobs in the trades that do require skills and training.
Maybe if we have stronger unions, like we had in the past, with apprenticeship programs where one got paid to learn a skill/trade…this would not be the issue it is.
As far as I’m concerned this is largely a fallacy. In what way are work requirements higher for ALL professions (other than now everyone using a computer)? Furthermore I believe that only roughly 5-6% of the workforce are in STEM related fields. So-called “free” college is not the answer, that would just give government another tax to levy on the people.
You don’t need unions to do this. High schools instead of eliminating trade programs (as what has happened in NJ) should be developing them and forming relationships with local businesses in which these students can get actual on the job training while still in school.
Governments involvement though has made it more expensive.
I do miss my college days of debauchery and Marxism. Me and the boys were always doing socialism between benders.
