I’m surprised that no one is calling for the banning of matches yet
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I never said it was. If you’re bored, go play. 
What’s your problem? 
Nobody likes it when you randomly start arguing with them over something they didn’t even say, Samm. It’s beneath most people, including you. 
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Randomly arguing? We are having a group discussion here.
You advocated punishing someone (metaphorically skinned alive at the public square) for that land not being farmed and allowed to go fallow. What I had to say about that were valid points.
Still seeking that random argument, eh? Today is not your lucky day. You’ll just have to go find some Left-overs instead. 
I know you don’t like it when someone challenges your opunion, but this is ridiculous.
Yeah, that’s the spirit!
Again, I never said it was. But, this is what you’ll inevitably do if I allow you to keep arguing with me - inserting things I never said and just keep going and going and going. It’s not a discussion. It’s annoying, and it’s beneath me. It’s beneath you too.
If you have something worth my time, by all means. You can be pretty enjoyable when you’re not seeking.
I think what you mean is when I’m not challenging your opinion.
We know the government especially the D government cant manage the land. I think there needs to be private sector management for these privately owned lands. Maybe even laws outlining the management. Thats all Im saying
Laws means government.
True. But the private sector gets hired by the government to manage land all the time. It can be done.
Public lands yes. But that’s the problem. What authority does the State of Hawaii have to hire someone to manage private property?
Where I live the county has the authority to mow your yard and bill you for it if it grows too high 
I’d imagine this is a wake up call. Ordinances will be put into place to prevent future events like this from happening.
They have the authority to enforce laws or ordinances that require private owners to take care of their land. My town paid me to mow my neighbors abandoned home. They paid me like a private landscape business, only i lived right next door.
It was a win win. They didnt have to take crews off important jobs, and i got paid to keep my neighborhood looking nice.
More than a 1050 are still missing according to the governor yesterday.
How many of the missing are children?
It has been almost two weeks since the fire. At this point the official death toll is only 114, and there many reports that the official figures are far lower than the actual numbers. Here are some examples from a few days ago:
I live on Maui and have nearly 20 years of working for State, Federal and Local governments . . . I currently work for the State of Hawaii as an investigator. . . The loss of life is being soft-peddled ; “we expect that number to increase” is all we really hear but I will not be surprised if there are 500+.
A good friend told me she saw a firefighter at Costco a couple of days after the fire. She mentioned that the death toll was just raised to 50-something. He told her that the firefighters had already used up 400 body bags, all that they had available. He said the death toll was way under-counted.
The Horrors of Ukraine and Maui Made Possible by Government incompetence
Your city runs the town like an HOA? 
I hope you are not advocating that for Hawaii …
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What you are suggesting goes against every fiber of personal freedom to own property. If the government can force you to mow your grass, you do not truly own the property. As I alluded to, that kind of control falls under the auspices of a HOA.
Yes, cities have zoning powers that control what you do on your own property, but when new zoning restrictions are placed on an area, the existing use is generally grandfathered in. Even if the Maui County were to impose such conditions on fallow agriculture land.
Yup.
I’m actually not advocating either way. Just pointing out that they will probably do this as a preventative measure.
What’s the point? Lahaina is gone.
