Has the Coronavirus been used to con Americans into committing economic suicide?

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As early as March, 6th, 2020, we were told,

(CNN) "Amid a coronavirus outbreak in the United States, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is encouraging older people and people with severe chronic medical conditions to “stay at home as much as possible.”

“This advice is on a CDC website that was posted Thursday, according to a CDC spokeswoman”.

"Early data suggests older people are twice as likely to have serious illness from the novel coronavirus, according to the CDC. LINK

And by March 18th, we find:

“… new data show that up to one-fifth of infected people ages 20-44 have been hospitalized, including 2%-4% who required treatment in an intensive care unit.

Still, the most severe cases, and the highest rates of death, are among the elderly. Although 17% of the U.S. population is 65 or older, 31% of cases were in that age group, CDC experts concluded in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report." LNK

From these statistics, sound reasoning indicates that focusing on and protecting the elderly would be a logical course of action, since the remaining portion of the population would not suffer significant casualties if it practiced common sense hygiene practices.

Indeed, this was the common sense approach used in Sweden. See: Has Sweden Found the Right Solution to the Coronavirus?

April 6, 2020

“If the COVID-19 pandemic tails off in a few weeks, months before the alarmists claim it will, they will probably pivot immediately and pat themselves on the back for the brilliant social-distancing controls that they imposed on the world. They will claim that their heroic recommendations averted total calamity. Unfortunately, they will be wrong; and Sweden, which has done almost no mandated social distancing, will probably prove them wrong.”

So, what was the scientific explanation for shutting down the world’s most thriving economy and forcing 30 million Americans into losing their jobs, not to mention the crushing blow dealt to millions of small business owners having their lives destroyed by government mandates to close their businesses? The following video is very telling:

The bottom line is, there appears to have been an intentional media created hysteria generated by so-called “experts” i.e., Fauci &Co., dwelling on rising death rates and “curves”, as opposed to focusing on protecting the elderly and those with existing medical conditions which is the battle that ought to have been fought, and not a self-inflicted economic suicide to “flatten a curve”.

JWK

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Watch the legislation that comes after.

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No. I don’t believe President Trump has intentionally conned the nation into economic Seppuku. There are a lot of things that can be laid at his feet. The decisions he has made to focus the nation on staying at home are not one of them.

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Thank you for your opinion but it appears Trump is the one who has been conned.

JWK

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Only Donald Trump would have had the trust of the American people to be able to shut down the economy when confronted with a worldwide pandemic, and I’m glad that he is president so that he could make that kind of decision. If Hillary Clinton had been the one asking the governors to close up shop so that an Invisible Enemy doesn’t overwhelm the hospital system, they would have told her to buzz off. Nobody trusts Hillary Clinton, and that’s why she lost the election, and why I’m so glad that she’s not president right now. Millions of people would be dead. Thank God that Trump is president of America.

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On this one we will have to agree to disagree.

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I believe the old addage “Damned if you do, damned if you don’t” is more applicable. It’s easy enough with hindsight to look back and say we should have or shouldn’t have done this and that.

What we don’t know is just how bad this thing would have gotten had the restrictions that went into effect not have been done so. Thus its very easy now to look back because they were and say “We shouldn’t have done this because it didn’t turn out nearly as bad as was predicted”.

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And why are you thanking God for our economy being shut down, and the economic suicide that has resulted?

JWK

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2 million Americans were estimated to die if we did nothing. Yes, I am going to thank God that He allowed Trump to be elected president, so that he could keep us safe with his leadership through this pandemic.

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It is a fair question.

We met the goal and then the goal moves. Toying with liberty is despotic.

There are 184 other countries impacted. We are not alone.

The proper policy now is to protect the vulnerable and let the people handle the risk with what we now know.

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One thing I will point out - is this consistent idea that “Sweden” did the opposite of us if just false and obviously comes from people that don’t have friend there.

Sweden did not order stay at home, that is true. HOWEVER -
They did mandate non essential business to close (They gave a few more exemptions).
All Bars were closed
All non essential employees were told to stay at home
Unemployment is projected to be 13.5% and would prob be higher but government is paying 80% of wages if companies keep them on payroll.
Cafes are open but enforcing social distancing.
Sports were canceled.
Gathering more then 50 people were banned.

They did keep schools open and some types of gyms were allowed.

Now -I think the US should move to the same model. But that model is NOT “Every thing is open and everyone go back to work”

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So he’s a gullible dummy?

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his biggest mistake was letting Fauci be president

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You know, I think I like this thread.

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Wait, what? He abdicated his responsibility and gave it to someone else? As in dereliction of duty? I’d have to imagine if anyone other than Trump did such a thing as President you would be calling for their immediate removal from office.

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Our economy is not dead.

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Operative words being “if we did nothing”.

As early as the beginning of March it was known that an identifiable group, “older people and people with severe chronic medical conditions”, were twice as likely to have serious illness from the virus. Seems that Sweden “did something” other than a self-inflicted economic suicide, by protecting its nation’s elderly, the identifiable group most likely to develop serious illness from the virus.

The approach you seem to embrace has instigated untold deaths, in addition to its economic consequences, which combined are apparently worse than your cure. :roll_eyes:

JWK

Our country is infested with a Fifth Column movement at MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES, CNN, WASHINGTON POST, ATLANTIC MAGAZINE, New York Daily News, Time, ETC., and their countless Yellow Journalists, who work hand in hand with the Democrat Party socialist/communist leadership to undermine and destroy our free market, free enterprise system.

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Sweden’s death rate is double America’s death rate. Would you prefer that America have around 120,000 people dead from Covid-19 right now?

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That little squirt has blood on his hands and repeatedly lied to the American people.

JWK

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:roll_eyes:

And tell me, how many deaths have occurred because of the shutdown? See: We must count the deaths from shutdowns as well as from coronavirus

Job losses cause extreme suffering. Every 1 percent hike in the unemployment rate will likely produce a 3.3 percent increase in drug-overdose deaths and a 0.99 percent increase in suicides, according to data from the National Bureau of Economic Research and the medical journal Lancet.

These are facts based on past experience, not models. If unemployment hits 32 percent, some 77,000 Americans are likely to die from suicide and drug overdoses as a result of layoffs. Deaths of despair.

And tell me, how many deaths have been caused in America because medical procedures were put on hold?

There is a lot more to the equation than you offer.

JWK

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