Going to be some interesting confirmation hearings

that said, the idea i had with this thread was more about the confirmation hearings and what they’ll be like with Biden nominating Collusion hoaxers and China friendly appointees. Blickson is going to have to answer about his meetings with Hunter, what was discussed, what he did and who he talked to in relation to them. What did Hunter want, what did Hunter get, why did he get it? Others will have to answer for their rolls pushing the Russia hoax. It should be interesting.

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its average, the information is the same from multiple sources. Some are lower, some are higher.

Don’t be intimidated. The interpretation you offered was okay, just not very good.

Is that what they been doing for last 24 years? It’s same BS they were selling us back in 90’s.

But this time…this time we will get it right.

The disagreement seems to lie in whether China’s rise is, in fact, inevitable.

Zero-sum thinkers tend to think no, it is not, because through American “wins” (see decoupling), China necessarily loses. But that is not always, and actually rarely, the reality.

Just look at Australia’s trade war with China right now. Outside of iron ore China can run to whatever third-party it wants for the tariffed goods but Australia’s exporters?..not so easy to find new buyers.

And isn’t China wayyyyyy behind schedule on its pledge to buy boatloads (literally) of our agricultural products? Is that going very well?

Its the same approach that has been going on since Nixon legitimized China. If one wants to choke China, one needs to realize that people want cheap products and that would need to stop. Buy American is great and I support that, but when one goes on Amazon and wants to buy an ice scraper, the current option is to either pay $5 for one made in China or pay $23 for one made in USA. Sorry, but many people are going to opt for the cheap one.

Or we can bail out our farmers like the good Socialists we are by haphazardly throwing tariffs on things without thinking about repercussions.
That approach seemed to fail.

So? Russia is going to keep the Crimea no matter what. Dems seemed happy with “Russia Bad”: What’s the difference?

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Yrs and taxes aren’t 9% either. They were just numbers.

And yet I have to.

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Kissinger is out there right now telling everyone to embrace China and go back to capitulating to them.

As I said at the time… we are not going to go to war over Crimea… It doesn’t matter who the President is at the time… there wasn’t going to be a hoot war over it.

What the US did do was get a coalition of EU countries to directly target the finances of a whole bunch of oligarchs and also probably back a whole bunch of anti Putin groups in Russia and Ukraine. That is the tools that were used.

But if you want to distill that down to “RUSSIA BAD” then no one can stop you.

The most obvious difference I can think of is that if a Trump aide had said he wanted to “encourage Russia’s rise [insert rest of guy’s quote],” that wouldn’t make any sense whatsoever because Russia isn’t rising. That’s not even remotely a thing, while China’s rise is arguably the single most important geopolitical reality most countries in the world (foremost the United States) are dealing with. Your “what if” scenario ignores pretty important context.

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Why does anyone still listen to Kissinger?

Because the media puts him out there as an expert in these issues?

:woman_shrugging:t2:

He speaks with an accent, makes him smart.

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I have been advised to keep Trump out of this.

Oh yea my bad.

Let’s try something. Let’s try discussing Trump in the context of policy. Not “Trump sucks!” “How bad does he suck!” “He killed 250,000 people!” and see how it goes.

If it goes off the rails like it usually does, I’ll just delete them all and issue sanctions as appropriate.

Maybe the trick is to mention both policies and the differences, so compare and contrast.

If we can do that without the garbage, I’m all for it.

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What sources?

Can you elaborate?