Global warming is real


#3144

America Bad, China good. At least to the Dem politicians
Even though China has a much larger Carbon footprint and
puts out more emissions than any other country in the world.

The Dems don’t have a logical leg to stand on.


#3145

When the cycle has been repeating for 2 million years, only a fool would gamble on it not repeating, regardless of the cause.


#3146

The end of the Mayan calendar did not signify the end of the world, it signified the end of their calculation of future days.


#3147

Agreed. But we are men of science, right? It would behoove is to determine causes of previous arming periods, which we have done, and determine if those same forces are acting today, which we have done. No, orbital forcing is not warming us today.

It doesn’t leave AGW solely but it certainly is a prime suspect, wouldn’t you agree?


#3148

Thats funny Samm. Im sur eyou know all about them


#3149

As a graduate student I taught my undergrads how to read Maya numbers, Base eight if I remember. I can’t read the glyphs, but some of my colleagues can.


#3150

The colors that you see on a screen are determined by the octal RGB system. Those Mayans were on to something.


#3151

Don’t really care about the splitting hairs over the nuance of ‘clock work’. What is the mechanism and the evidence for it beyond ‘its that time again’?


#3152

The same forces that existed during each of those previous cycles do not exist today? Really?

Which of them specifically has vanished?


#3153

If your resting heart rate is 60bpm do you have to understand the all of the mechanisms at work to have a reasonable expectation that in the next second your heart will beat again?

No.


#3154

You don’t understand orbital forcing? I specifically mentioned it in the post you responded to. Here, let me help you out.


The point is we can calculate this effect and whether we should be warming or cooling today. It seems we should be cooling. Clearly our warming must be caused by something else. Perhaps by a sudden increase in a greenhouse gas?

The force is still there, so to speak, just changing in magnitude.


#3155

And again you’re stuck on one of many factors that affect global temps.

Obital forcing is a small part of the entire thing as we’ve discussed many times before.

The sun is also burning hotter raising temperatures for the entire solar system or did you forget that?

You are of course also completely incorrect about orbital forcing and the current period. We’re not even halfway through what should be a warming period based on the orbital forcing model.

The last cooling trend reached its maximum some 20,000 years ago and
we are currently 20,000 years into a 50,000 year warming trend. Orbital
forcing has been accepted as a mechanism of climate change by the National
Research Council (NRC), by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences (NAS), and
by the U.S. National Atmospheric and Space Administration (NASA).


#3156

The planet will kill us off quickly and cleanly. Run for outer space


#3157

I’m glad you cede expertise to NASA on the subject. Does NASA believe orbital forcing is the cause for today’s warming?


#3158

I can’t speak for NASA or the NAS but I did provide you the quote did I not?

We’re less than halfway through the expected 50k warming period according to the orbital forcing model according to NASA.

The last cooling trend reached its maximum some 20,000 years ago and
we are currently 20,000 years into a 50,000 year warming trend. Orbital
forcing has been accepted as a mechanism of climate change by the National
Research Council (NRC), by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences (NAS), and
by the U.S. National Atmospheric and Space Administration (NASA).


#3159

Read past the headline, my friend.

Hope this helps your understanding of the brighter sun warming hypothesis.


#3160

I agree, it’s a theory.


#3161

They are dismissing it, they haven’t shown that to not be a factor.

So the sun is burning hotter and we’re less than halfway through an expected 50,000 year warming cycle according to the one mechanism you have been yammering on about here for years.


#3162

And they can estimate how our temperature would be effected. Yet they still overwhelmingly support AGW. Interesting. Your source does not seem to agree with your anti-AGW stance. Perhaps you have done more research on the subject than NASA? I shouldn’t have to tell you that googling does not constitute research.


#3163

So, you thInk the Mayans had nothing better to do than keep on ctranking out calendars into infinity?