Freedom Exemplified

I don’t think it’s for you. You seem the type to want somebody else (the state) to protect you from what could happen.

You’re spinning in circles. Maybe Taylor Kahle should have just minded her own business last April?

"San Diego resident Taylor Kahle was walking home with a friend around 7:30 p.m. when a man jumped from the 9th floor of a parking garage in an apparent suicide attempt, the San Diego Medical Examiner said in a report. Kahle had spent the day on a second or third date with a man she met online, KNSD reported. The man was not hurt.

Kahle was pronounced dead at the scene and the unknown man who jumped from the garage was taken to the hospital where he died of his injuries, according the medical examiner."

Am I?

The man who jumped should be charged with at least manslaughter.

Why do you want involve yourself in his business? He was just expressing “freedom exemplified.” :smile:

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He did harm. His freedom ended there. He doesn’t have the freedom to land on the girl.

There’s the line.

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The woman in Manhattan jumped from the top of a 46-story building, so there’s no way she could have guaranteed she wouldn’t land on a pedestrian or a car. By pure chance she avoided killing someone. Reckless.

Did she?

You want a guarantee, buy a toaster.

Allowing emotions to get in the way of clear thinking.

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Yes, she jumped from the top of a 46-story building in the country’s most crowded city. Reckless, dangerous, and illegal.

Did she harm anyone?

So if I jump off a roof and land on someone it’s murder, but if I jump off a roof and only kill myself it’s freedom exemplified. Got it.

If I cross the center lane on the highway and run head-on into a truck in a suicide attempt, is that freedom exemplified as long as the truck driver is unharmed?

Correct. Or manslaughter. Intent matters between the two.

No, that is you interfering with his right to freely travel down the road in a public space. It’s not murder or manslaughter.

Are you advocating punishing people for what might happen instead of what did happen?

Not in a pound. One big needle straight into the heart.

I certainly hope none of you are feeling this way, but I fear you are.

Maybe that’s why she jumped.

Yes, in some cases. For example, sending poison to politicians through the mail even if no one is actually harmed by the poison. Intent and recklessness matter.

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Attempted murder is a crime pretty much everywhere.

Was it her intent to land on someone? If so how did she miss?

Oh goodness gracious! Please stop feeling that way!

Where does it end when we go down that slope?

You are advocating prior restraint divining intent by an entity with unlimited force!

What’s next, banning guns because somebody might murder someone with a gun? Banning alcohol or weed because somebody might drive under the influence?

Banning mail because somebody might send poison?

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Did she attempt to murder someone? If so who?

Maybe. Who knows?

She jumped from the 46th floor. From that height she couldn’t reliably hit someone or assure that she wouldn’t. Reckless.

Oh my, how dramatic. Guns don’t kill people, people do, and we arrest people when they unlawfully try to kill people with guns. We also arrest people when they drink too much and drive into oncoming traffic even if no one dies.

We’ll probably never know.