When platforms selectively police their terms of service to overlook progressive infringements but obliquely allege infringements by conservatives (or vice versa), there is clearly a legal and justice issue involved that the courts can easily weigh and make rulings on IMHO.
It’s also an unreported political donation in kind.
They do sell a product in Florida so…
If I live in Florida and I sign up for a Twitter account then access their server farm in California.
What product did I purchase and how much did it cost?
WW
zantax:
They do sell a product in Florida so…
If I live in Florida and I sign up for a Twitter account then access their server farm in California.
What product did I purchase and how much did it cost?
WW
Not talking about having an account, I am talking about buying advertising from them
WorldWatcher:
zantax:
They do sell a product in Florida so…
If I live in Florida and I sign up for a Twitter account then access their server farm in California.
What product did I purchase and how much did it cost?
WW
Not talking about having an account, I am talking about buying advertising from them
Ah, Got’Cha. Good point. Advertising would still be a “product”.
Then Twitter could black list geolocations in Florida from adverting on Twitter. Given the size of Twitter that would have more of a negative impact on businesses in Florida then it would against Twitters global market. So say Ford Motor Company based in Michigan buys advertising on Twitter for certain age demographics, that advertising appears in Florida, that would not be advertising being sold in Florida. If Florida business wanted to advertise on Twitter in Florida, they would have then have to use a 3rd party purchasing scheme like that.
WW
zantax:
WorldWatcher:
zantax:
They do sell a product in Florida so…
If I live in Florida and I sign up for a Twitter account then access their server farm in California.
What product did I purchase and how much did it cost?
WW
Not talking about having an account, I am talking about buying advertising from them
Ah, Got’Cha. Good point. Advertising would still be a “product”.
Then Twitter could black list geolocations in Florida from adverting on Twitter. Given the size of Twitter that would have more of a negative impact on businesses in Florida then it would against Twitters global market. So say Ford Motor Company based in Michigan buys advertising on Twitter for certain age demographics, that advertising appears in Florida, that would not be advertising being sold in Florida. If Florida business wanted to advertise on Twitter in Florida, they would have then have to use a 3rd party purchasing scheme like that.
WW
Again, it’s not just going to be Florida.
Correction on my part.
Twitter does have an office in Miami, FL. So due to that physical presence, ya the law applies. Unless they close the office.
WW
I am shocked at the support for this modern version of the fairness doctrine. \
Shocked
I am shocked at the support for this modern version of the fairness doctrine. \
Shocked
Conservatives looking to cent’gov to solve their problems.
Amazing isn’t it.
WW
Jezcoe:
I am shocked at the support for this modern version of the fairness doctrine. \
Shocked
Conservatives looking to cent’gov to solve their problems.
Amazing isn’t it.
WW
All for a platform that is free to use.
Socialism.
Jezcoe:
I am shocked at the support for this modern version of the fairness doctrine. \
Shocked
Conservatives looking to cent’gov to solve their problems.
Amazing isn’t it.
WW
Florida isn’t cent’gov
WorldWatcher:
Jezcoe:
I am shocked at the support for this modern version of the fairness doctrine. \
Shocked
Conservatives looking to cent’gov to solve their problems.
Amazing isn’t it.
WW
All for a platform that is free to use.
Socialism.
Still thinks it’s free, too funny. Psst, you are the product.
Jezcoe:
WorldWatcher:
Jezcoe:
I am shocked at the support for this modern version of the fairness doctrine. \
Shocked
Conservatives looking to cent’gov to solve their problems.
Amazing isn’t it.
WW
All for a platform that is free to use.
Socialism.
Still thinks it’s free, too funny. Psst, you are the product.
I know.
It is free for me to use or not use.
They charge me zero money for their product… which I don’t use.
What continues to baffle me is the position that ISP’s are not common carriers, even though money exchanges hands for access to what the user wants to access with the expectation that that traffic will be treated equally among all websites while simultaniously holding this idea that websites that offer their services for free to the user should be subject to common carrier rules because they are perceived to being unfair to the most put upon crybabies to exist in American history.
It is quite funny really.
Jezcoe:
WorldWatcher:
Jezcoe:
I am shocked at the support for this modern version of the fairness doctrine. \
Shocked
Conservatives looking to cent’gov to solve their problems.
Amazing isn’t it.
WW
All for a platform that is free to use.
Socialism.
Still thinks it’s free, too funny. Psst, you are the product.
Twitter or facebook gets no money from me.
zantax:
Jezcoe:
WorldWatcher:
Jezcoe:
I am shocked at the support for this modern version of the fairness doctrine. \
Shocked
Conservatives looking to cent’gov to solve their problems.
Amazing isn’t it.
WW
All for a platform that is free to use.
Socialism.
Still thinks it’s free, too funny. Psst, you are the product.
I know.
It is free for me to use or not use.
They charge me zero money for their product… which I don’t use.
What continues to baffle me is the position that ISP’s are not common carriers, even though money exchanges hands for access to what the user wants to access with the expectation that that traffic will be treated equally among all websites while simultaniously holding this idea that websites that offer their services for free to the user should be subject to common carrier rules because they are perceived to being unfair to the most put upon crybabies to exist in American history.
It is quite funny really.
Doesn’t understand giving something away to use it is a price. Would love to negotiate with you some time.
Doesn’t understand giving something away to use it is a price. Would love to negotiate with you some time.
Here is the thing.
I don’t have to use these services. You know… the ones that are offered free to the users.
Modern life can exist with out them.
Access to the internet though…
Yet the thing that I don’t have to use for free is seen as a common carrier but the service that I actually pay money for access to be able to operate in the 21st century is not.
It is a really strange position.
zantax:
Doesn’t understand giving something away to use it is a price. Would love to negotiate with you some time.
Here is the thing.
I don’t have to use these services. You know… the ones that are offered free to the users.
Modern life can exist with out them.
Access to the internet though…
Yet the thing that I don’t have to use for free is seen as a common carrier but the service that I actually pay money for access to be able to operate in the 21st century is not.
It is a really strange position.
Wasn’t my access here supposed to be purposely slowed already? Tell you what, if ISP’s start cutting off people based on their political speech, I will happily see them designated as common carriers as well.
zantax:
WorldWatcher:
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Serious question…Let’s take Twitter for example since they are the ones that banned Trump** which is what pissed of Trump** supporters.
Twitter is based on California. How does Florida enforce such a law on a company not based in Florida and likely has no physical presence in Florida?
WW
Are you under the impression companies can break state law by virtue of being located elsewhere?
If Twitter is not incorporated in Florida and they (a) sell no product in Florida and (b) have no physical presence in Florida - then no, they are not required to abide by Florida law. Their operations are governed by the State law where the company is present. So ya, unless Twitter is selling a product or has a presence in the State, they are not breaking a governing State law.
For years Amazon didn’t collect sales tax for orders being shipped to states and it took the SCOTUS case of South Dakota v. Wayfair (2018) to begin changing that.
But that involved actual products being purchased and shipped inside the states borders. Not so in the case of Twitter where it is (as far as I can tell) not located in the State and does not ship a product into the state.
It would take a case where Florida fined Twitter for banning someone for violating their user agreement, Twitter telling Florida to get pumped and then Florida seeking a resolution in court. Florida would have to loose at the Florida Supreme Court level, then they can make a direct appeal to the SCOTUS. Or, Florida could file in federal court and work it’s way through the Federal District and Appeals courts then then also be able to apply for a writ from the SCOTUS.
But the situation is much different than the South Dakota case since their is no product being sold.
On the other hand Florida could take action against Twitter by passing a law that says the State will maintain a “banned” services list and that restricts the ability of a Florida based company to do business with anyone on the list. Florida then adds Twitter to the list, Florida companies are banned from doing business with that service. That means Florida companies would not be able to purchase marketing and demographics information from Twitter. (I don’t think that law would stand a legal challenge, but they could try.)
WW
In my opinion, Twitter IS a product, along with FB and all the rest of them that depend on advertising to users. We may not yet have laws to define it as such, but I suspect we will in time.
We didn’t allow corporate towns to infringe on the first amendment rights of their employee’s or anyone else in their privately owned but otherwise public areas. Just saying.
Jezcoe:
zantax:
Doesn’t understand giving something away to use it is a price. Would love to negotiate with you some time.
Here is the thing.
I don’t have to use these services. You know… the ones that are offered free to the users.
Modern life can exist with out them.
Access to the internet though…
Yet the thing that I don’t have to use for free is seen as a common carrier but the service that I actually pay money for access to be able to operate in the 21st century is not.
It is a really strange position.
Wasn’t my access here supposed to be purposely slowed already? Tell you what, if ISP’s start cutting off people based on their political speech, I will happily see them designated as common carriers as well.
It has nothing to do with getting what one pays for… you know a consumer advocacy issue… but on some fictitious grievance.
Super weird.