Democrats are always fiscal responsible, when they enact govt programs they know that taxes must be raised to pay for them.
Lol - I’m not a Democrat. In fact, I was a straight ticket Republican voter until 2016. Now, I’m a conservative independent.
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When democrats are elected president government deficits go down. The opposite is true for Republicans.
The poster’s opinion, as is yours, is not based upon facts. Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! LINK
The devastating social and economic consequences of not ending illegal immigration are far, far greater than you or the poster is willing to acknowledge. So, let us take a look at the destructive social and economic consequences in just one county in California inflicted upon its citizens in 1995 when this massive invasion of our borders began to accelerate. CLICK HERE and scroll to page 93 for testimony given by JOAN ZINSER before the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, DECEMBER 13, 1995
Good morning Chairman Smith and other honorable members of the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims. I am Joan Zinser, Deputy Director of the San Diego County Department of Social Services. I direct the department’s Income Maintenance Bureau, which has responsibility for AFDC, Food Stamps and Medicaid eligibility determinations. I am here today to tell you about the effects of illegal immigration on the County’s assistance programs, and to present information regarding impacts on other county-funded services.
Impacts on San Diego County
In 1993, illegal aliens in San Diego County were estimated to be 7.9% of the population, or a total of almost 220,000 illegal aliens in a county with a population of slightly over 2 1/2 million. A 1993 Calffornia State Senate report estimated that the State, local governments - primarily the County - and schools incurred $304 million in costs to provide services to illegal aliens. These costs were offset by only $60 million in taxes generated by illegal aliens - leaving a net impact of $244 million.
Welfare Costs.
When a child is a US citizen, AFDC can be granted for the child but not the parent, if the parent is an undocumented immigrant. In 1992 there were 6,414 children born to undocumented immigrant parents in San Diego County hospitals. Each year, the illegal alien parents of nearly 2000 “citizen children” apply for and receive AFDC in San Diego County. The cumulative total of these “citizen child” cases continues to rise each year.
Public assistance is intended to support the citizen child, but is paid to the illegal alien parent and is, no doubt, used by the parent to support the entire family. Costs for providing AFDC to “citizen children” cases in San Diego totaled $37 million in 1993 for approximately 5430 AFDC cases.
Additional costs are incurred in Child Welfare Services. Combining costs for Out-of-Home and Family Maintenance services to families of illegal aliens results in an additional cost of $1.7 million.
Medicaid and Other Health-Related- Costs.
Medicaid services are an increasingly large portion of the costs involved in illegal immigration. In 1992, Medicaid paid for 6,414 births illegal alien mothers. Although studies have shown that illegal aliens use fewer Medicaid services than do the age-equivalent members of the general population, significant costs remain. Delivery costs are greater for babies with mothers lacking adequate prenatal care and many medical conditions are treated more cost-effectively in their early stages. Infectious diseases are also a major concern of the County. San Diego County has historically carried large costs because of illegal aliens with these problems. Costs associated with providing emergency and pregnancy related needs to illegal aliens are paid for under “restricted Medi-Cal benefits.” During the 1992 calendar year, an estimated $37 million was paid for “restricted Medi-Cal benefits.” Other costs, including uncompensated care in hospitals, community clinics, and other health services elevated the 1993 total costs to over $50 million.
Criminal justice.
A recent 90-day pilot project involved having INS Agents present in the county jails to interview those suspected of being an undocumented immigrant. Approximately 20% of the persons booked into the jails during that pilot were identified as being illegal aliens. With annual bookings of approximatel 105,000 persons a year, it is estimated that up to 21,000 were illegal aliens.
According to the San Diego County District Attorney, 8,521 felony crimes were committed by illegal aliens between 1987 and 1992. Illegal aliens commit an estimated 22% of felony crimes committed in the county. The number of misdemeanors committed during the same period in San Diego County by illegal aliens is estimated to be 17,000. In 1993, approximately 15. 1 % of the costs -accrued in dealing with crimes were spent on illegal aliens. Costs for illegal aliens to the legal system totaled $151 million in the County of San Diego for 1993.
Education.
Recently, a video of students crossing the border and getting on a school bus in San Diego County in order to receive free education was shown nationwide. Locally, we have worked to make sure that this situation does not recur, but education of the children of illegal aliens is also a significant CDSt. It is estimated that $60 million was spent in San Diego County in 1993 for education of illegal aliens.
And, more recently see:
Illegal aliens cost California billions
2004
”Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California — which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide — $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.”
Also see:
Testimony about “51 Florida Hospitals in trouble” due to illegal aliens expenses:
Jun 10, 2008
The above are the kind of facts our globalists want you to ignore, and expect you to continue to bear the burden of. Is there any wonder why so many hospitals in border states and elsewhere have shut down or closed their ER units!!!”?
Also take a look at Texas Faces Rising Cost For Illegal Immigrant Care
Aug 19, 2010
Texas spent at least $250 million in the past year for medical care and imprisonment of illegal immigrants and other non-citizens.
And how about this: The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer
May 6, 2013
”In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.”
And how about the tens of thousands of criminal aliens released into our nation’s population? See: Judicial Watch: 165,900 Criminal Aliens into US Population Through April 2014
Mar 2015
”Nearly 166,000 convicted criminal illegal aliens were released by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as of April, 2014. This is the analysis of 76 pages of DHS documents obtained by Judicial Watch via Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. The criminal illegal aliens include rapists, murderers and kidnappers.”
JWK
American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade America’s borders to give birth.
No, they’re based in fact. Most illegal immigrants are not coming in across the border, and haven’t been for over a decade now. They’re coming here legally and overstaying Visas. A wall won’t fix that.
So please, stop spamming walls of copy/pasted text that literally not a single person on this forum will ever read. You’re arguing against points no one is making, and you’re refusing to address the actual causes of, and fixes for, the major problem happening.
Precisely. I can’t see any way a wall would prevent someone who comes here on a valid visa from overstaying that visa. I’d love to hear the OP’s explanation of how that will solve that problem.
Honestly, I feel a border wall would be as effective at curbing illegal immigration as a wall of text would be at doing the same.
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The only deserving eye-roll here is your stupid debating trick . . . bait and switch!
You allege that the poster’s opinion [Oryx] is based on “fact”. So, what exactly did the poster write?
Oryx wrote:
“A wall would stop some illegal border crossings, but not enough to warrant its many costs, in my opinion. We can stop illegal immigration in other ways.”
So, instead of you actually addressing and defending what Oryx wrote, party-free, you ignore “illegal border crossings” and introduce visa overstays, and then go on to totally ignore the devastating social and economic consequences inflicted upon American citizens by millions of “illegal border crossings” ___ which, I might add, would not have occurred had a wall been in place and our border been secured long ago [1985] when 2.5 million illegal entrants were granted amnesty in return for a promise from the Democrat Party Leadership to secure our border which was reneged upon .
The only question here, party-free, is: would a wall stop a significant number of illegal entries to justify its cost? And with respect to answering this question, we need only look at the thousands upon thousands of foreigners in “caravans”, with thousands upon thousands on their way, who are looking to bum rush our border.
The irrefutable fact is, party-free, a real wall would have indeed stopped the thousands in the above video, and discourage this type of illegal entry in the future, and thereby save American citizens $BILLIONS upon $BILLIONS, in addition to relieving the devastating social consequences from ongoing “illegal border crossings”.
JWK
Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! LINK
I understand your desire to ignore the larger problem. I stopped believing in bogeymen a long time ago.
Are you really being honest, or are you unaware that a wall is designed to prevent illegal border crossings?
Are you really suggesting a wall would not prevent the following illegal border crossings?
JWK
Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! LINK
Ya know what JWK…if you look at the very definition of 5th column. YOU are the active 5th column, by trying to subordinate the solidarity and sovereignty of this nation. Your support of the criminal in the white house, and others like you who support him and his anti constitutional efforts are the real fifth column. Trump and his administration are trampling the the constitution and the bill of rights of this nation in my opinion, and he does so with the support of people like you. THE REAL 5TH COLUMN…
That is because you do not understand what the wall entails. It will not stretch the distance of our Southern Border. It will not be 1000’s of miles. IT will be in certain places with vast holes where people will be able to cross. Again…you support an idea that isn’t the actual idea. Individual 1 said build a wall and you guys envision great wall of China running the entire length. Not going to happen, not at this juncture, wouldn’t be prudent.
RIP GHWB…
Once the a species goes extinct in an area or completely, then it’s gone. It’s more important than building the wall.
What does your post have to do with the subject of the thread? President Trump is absolutely correct about the necessity to build a wall to stop illegal border crossings and drugs.
JWK
Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone, far more than the cost of building a wall! LINK
Have you ever heard of that little known invention called a jet.
It goes over walls (i know it totally blows my mine too)
tell me how does the wall stop a tourist from overstaying their visa.
Allan
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When is Fat Donald going to pick up the pesos from Mexico to build his “big beautiful wall”?
Hey, if he would do that he might be able to hire some of those 14,000 laid off GM workers to help build the wall or work in the CBP.
It has to do with your continued use of a false premise…There is no group trying to subordinate our nations’s sovereignty or solidarity as you claim, by trying to keep the President from doing what he wants. That is in his and your head. I think I was pretty clear.
And while we are at it when you talk about the wall…You do realize that there is no way a wall can be build across the entire southern border. So there will be no hole plugging. It won’t stop people, it will simply cause people to go to the holes, and find their way in there…
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With regard to that “little known invention called a jet”, all passengers arriving in the US on international flights must clear U.S. Customs and immigration. You apparently are not familiar with regulations which apply to this “invention”, nor people using it to enter our country.
In answer to your ludicrous question as to how a wall will stop a tourist from overstaying their visa, a wall is not designed to deal with that problem. A wall is designed to stop illegal border crossings at our border.
JWK
Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone, far more than the cost of building a wall! LINK
How many people cross the borders vs how many people overstay their visa in 2017
Since you like numbers so much give us that detail
Allan
Well, the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA in November of 2017, cited recent numbers, and among the estimated 11.4 million unlawfully present non-citizens in the U.S., “half of that population is made up of visa overstayers, while the other half is comprised of individuals who have entered the United States without inspection.” __ LINK
What is your point? Are you suggesting a wall would not stop a significant number of illegal entries in addition to other benefits to justify its cost?
What is your point?
JWK
