Does anyone believe that Open Borders could be a good thing? If not why?

ToT · October 29, 2018, 6:51pm

Um… You completely flipped from your first post. So is this last post your final answer? Or do you still think my suggestion is nuts because of what you posted below? Is America ■■■■■■ because we use the same currency in New York and California? Is America ■■■■■■ because we have the same system of government in New York and California?

wiley8425 · October 29, 2018, 7:07pm

So you are among those who think we should have one global currency and one world government? That certainly explains your position.

ToT · October 29, 2018, 9:00pm

Let’s not get crazy here.

Of course there should be one good government for the deserving people like us and then the ■■■■■■ govt. for the other wretches on the planet.

wiley8425 · October 29, 2018, 9:31pm

Are you assuming that our government would be in charge and not say China’s? Because that would end well, I’m sure.

ToT · October 29, 2018, 9:43pm

lol - Keep drawing those lines in your head man and ignore what I’m actually saying should be done.

I would not suggest to posters here to try and think of the world differently and not suggest it to the leaders in China. Or anywhere else.

But it’s cool. I expect the human race as a whole will continue to be retardedly small and narrow minded for a long time to come. One day we’ll all look like Brazillians and it will be easier to think of us as just humans.

Don’t sweat it man, I don’t expect you to even remotely get it.

Eagle-Keeper · October 30, 2018, 11:31am

I’m not sure I follow you? Many of the illegal immigrants that come here (at least in NJ) will work for people who have their own landscaping business or private contractors who do small type construction work or home repair. And they pay them under the table. The last thing they are going to do is put them on the books. That’s just reality.

gwhit · October 30, 2018, 12:07pm

What kinda of white supremacist would one be if did not prefer getting killed by whites at a 10X more chance?

Eagle-Keeper · October 30, 2018, 2:54pm

CassandraJoe:

My comment was only about the nature of Libertarians. By and large, they hew to Conservative principles like lower taxes, less regulation, less internationalism.
But then they fly off the rails and advocate things like decriminalizing drug use, unrestricted abortions, funding the Federal Government with Bake Sales, and…Open Borders.

When I mentioned “Conservtive Reasoning”, I was referring to drawing conclusions based on logical rationalization, rather than evidence and facts. Take the CATO Article’s assertion that “They will Send Their Best” and the most skilled and prosperous members in other countries will leave the success in their own countries and come here “plausibly”. There is little evidence to support this and at least 11 million instances in the U.S. where primarily the tired, poor, huddled masses found their way here just from one country alone. And unlike the opinion piece contends - that immigrants will return to their home countries after success here - I can point to 11 million instances where immigrants did NOT return home voluntarily. Both articles claim that lower-cost immigrant labor does not affect wages for native-born citizens, yet the whole point of Brexit was that British citizens outside of London were losing jobs to cheaper Polish workers. My own wages have been directly affected by H1B workers from all over the World.

As I said, Democrats and Liberals don’t want open borders - they want humane, well-managed borders.

I think we both agree that no particular group is monolithic in their reasoning. I’m sure Rand Paul and Gary Johnson would have a number of areas where they disagree for example. Also regarding those on the Left there are those who do favor a more open borders immigration policies than say someone like Joe Manchin. Lastly pretty much everything you said would be consistent with the views of most conservatives.

Cratic3947 · October 30, 2018, 4:51pm

ToT:

Sadly, that pathetic point of view is still held by way to many Americans.

This is what we should be striving for at this point in our planet’s evolution. From the second article.

5. Open borders would make the world a richer place

According to economist Michael Clemens, opening the world’s borders could double global GDP. That is because the change in a worker’s location to a higher value economy increases their economic productivity. And because migrant workers often send money back to their country of origin through remittances, migration can have a positive impact on developing countries’ economies too.

In addition, according to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), across Europe, the average immigrant household contributes more in taxes than they take in benefits.

Of course, the economic value of a human being should never be the sole basis on which to allow them to exercise the right to move – and neither is GDP or economic growth the best measure of wellbeing. But we can be reassured that the world’s economy would not collapse under a system of open borders.

“Our planets evolution”… LMAO!.. Sound like a kooky religion.

wiley8425 · October 30, 2018, 4:51pm

Clearly. That’s why sanctuary cities exist. Because Democrats who create them are all about the rule of law when it isn’t politically expedient.

ToT · October 30, 2018, 5:48pm

Yeah man, that’s fine. But my entire line of posting has been saying that we should open things up so that they are not illegal. Hence they will actually demand to be on the books and be paid the appropriate wage for the job.

It really shouldn’t be that confusing… ???

ToT · October 30, 2018, 6:15pm

What do those dumb ■■■■■■■ police chiefs know anyway…

There are many more reports and studies out there that will tell you the same. But yeah… DEMOCRATS!!

PocketAces · October 30, 2018, 10:41pm

open borders bad. Wall good.

Eagle-Keeper · October 31, 2018, 1:34am

They can demand all they want, the fact is joe landscaper or joe general contractor is not going to put them on the books, furthermore there are plenty of people who are more than willing to paid under specifically to avoid paying taxes.

ToT · October 31, 2018, 4:39am

And like I said, you are definitely the glass is half empty kind of guy.

So there will always be people willing to work off the books and crooked landscapers and contractors… Great! Has nothing at all to do with my any of my post or what I have been proposing, but I’m glad you got that out of your system.

Mountain_Soldier · October 31, 2018, 5:05am

So we should pay enough taxes to support not just our country, but the entire world?

ToT · October 31, 2018, 5:54am

We weren’t talking about taxes Chief, we were just talking about the economy and the exchange of goods and services for $$.

But thanks for playing.