You asked me what I prefer.
Think about what the centgov and MIC are doing.
We are giving away tons of military equipment. At the same time they are pounding near peer war drums at the east.
All that equipment will be replaced with new, more modern, much more expensive equipment.
And they feed pablum to the sheep to keep them placated and paying.
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Won’t argue that. It’s basically true. The fact however is all of that equipment would be replaced whether we gave it to Ukraine or not.
The artillery rounds would age oout and be destroyed, only to be replaced by newer better ones.
The rockets would age out being replaced by newer, better ones.
The striker vehicles were already decommissioned
Many of the Bradleys were on their way to decommissioning
There are systems which were further away, maybe years.
Patriot (we gave them 1)
NASAMS (we gave them 1)
M1A2 Abrams (though its getting close) (31 will be given, but not yet. maybe not at all)
The Abrams and Bradleys are a drop in the bucket, we have around 3000 of each in permanent storage where they will stay until they are decommissioned.
The Patriots and NASAMS were the biggest gives, considering its air defense I don’t begrudge it.
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Hog wash.
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nope
Striker was already decommissioned
Bradley is rapidly getting there
Ammunition is routinely destroyed once it ages out in storage
And watch who pays for the other “donors” upgrades.
Money will move. Contracts will be let.
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I understand.
Bottom line for those kind of systems and ordinance, its cheaper to give it away than it is to continue to store it only to eventually destroy it.
I know it wasn’t there yet, but it was in permanent storage on its way there. Either way it costs us less to get rid of it. The exceptions are the AD systems and the Abrams (though Abrams X is getting closer)
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We have 4M (20M tons) of DPICM in storage that we will not give away.
We are not (at least yet) giving away ATACMs
Patriots aren’t really usefull in a naval and air war
Niether are NASAMS
Unless it goes nuclear, any war against china will be sea and air, we certainly are not stupid enough to invade China, nor they us (at least I hope so)
Why are Patriots not useful in an air war?
at sea?
I mean I guess they could be usefull for Japan, SK or some Islands to base them on. I was just thinking of our stuff, which would mostly be at sea.
They would be very useful on Tiawan?
I did say Islands. Pretty sure they have them… likely lots of them
So they would be useful against China. We have sold about 100 but I don’t think they have been delivered. DPICM would not be very useful especially if we are not allowed to use them.
Just checked, taiwan has 5 or 6 of them now. That would be 40-48 launchers. Not sure how big the island is, but they could probably use more. I’ll stand corrected on the AD systems. That however does not change the fact that we’ve given Ukraine 1.
Yea I stay out of the Ukraine stuff I was just curious why you thought they would be useless, of which you clarified.
The US has enforced crippling economic sanctions on Russia, targeting his friends and badly hit them financially and now you say we want to stay out of it
And you still want to claim Putin doesn’t see you as an enemy.
If the only criteria for being an enemy is they haven’t attacked you directly on US soil, then you have no enemies at all, and all is fine and dandy.
And by that criteria China isn’t either (an enemy).
I wanted to stay out of it from day 1. Never too late to get out of it.
Funny thing about sanctions; they don’t tend to cause grudges once they’re lifted the money starts flowing again.
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I don’t want that and don’t think that but I think Putin thinks that.
The US and Europe are very different but in terms of how we run things regarding elections, law, commerce, entertainment, freedom of speech and just the belief that we deserve to live free of invasion and others should have that right too.
I’m sorry I keep using the word invasion a lot and you wouldn’t nor couldn’t be expected to understand but at one time it was a very close call for Europe.
And any country can have a war i guess with weapons and missiles, but it was the horrific nature of WW2 that burns the most and binds us together (for however long it lasts).
