Since Russia invaded Ukraine or—if you must —NATO attacked Russia, do you think NATO has become stronger, weaker, or stayed the same? Why?
I mean this to be descriptive (is) rather than prescriptive (ought), but of course you can’t always separate the two.
Like, if you hate NATO and want it gone, fine, but that’s a different issue.
first can you elaborate how NATO is involved in this petty thug vs petty thug conflict?
I would say NATO has suddenly become more relevant. The Russian invasion of Ukraine has made Europe realize they need a united front to confront Russian aggression.
Putins gamble has backfired spectacularly because NATO is now bigger than before and stronger.
as evidenced by what?
NATO has expanded and Russians are still fighting in Ukraine even though it was expected to be an easy victory. Everyone me included thought Kiev would fall in weeks.
maybe you over-estimate Russia’s might
if Russia really wanted to win this they would almost right now.
Or is their importance on the world stage over-stated?
we’ve been pumping billions. we’re gonna pump in billions more.
has “”NATO” pushed back yet? how?
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maybe you over-estimate Russia’s might
if Russia really wanted to win this they would almost right now.
Or is their importance on the world stage over-stated?
we’ve been pumping billions. we’re gonna pump in billions more.
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Yeah sure Russia are playing the long game.
Anyhoo this thread is about NATO not Russia and
What are you on about? I said NATO has expanded with Finland joining earlier this year. Without the Russian invasion of Ukraine I doubt they would have ever joined.
Hey, maybe just answer the question. I know punchin libs is the prime directive, but now you got it all out. Take it away. See the question ^^^
such expansion was worthless then. the mighty “Finland”
“NATO is not involved directly in this and good thing because you know what that would mean
all that matters is the Ukraine corruptocracy is maintained for every politician’s loser ass kids to go and get rich
hence Ukraine flags in our face by dolts who don’t get it
I thought the Ukrainians had done extremely well just holding out for a few weeks. This was unimaginable.
get it all out
The whole argument for discrediting NATO relied upon the idea that it’s been thirty years since the Cold War and why do we need a pan-European/US common strategy against Russia when they aren’t going to invade anyone.
Then Putin invaded Ukraine. Now Finland and Sweden after eighty years of neutrality want to join, as well as like every single central European nation that isn’t a member. A military alliance against Russian expansionism clearly makes sense when they’re trying to annex their neighbors.
I have no idea what you are babbling on about. To say that NATO is not larger and more united as a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine is denying reality?
Where did I say that NATO was involved directly in Ukraine? But yes NATO’s relevance and importance has been reaffirmed among a significant proportion of Europeans.(geographically speaking and not just the EU).
NATO has no desire to go to war with Russia unless directly attacked by Russia and Russia has enough problems right now without kicking off that pandoras box.
i said nothing about “libs”
it isn’t 2009 anymore on this forum.
grow
As always you are far more eloquent than me.
no that’s dreaming up reality
i didnt say you said they were.
highly debatable.
hope not. cause if so, WWGOWGA or what the hell ever the boogeyman acronym was
samantha Guthrie???
and you think this makes them “stronger?”
