Coronavirus Thread Political II

Well no.

Less than half will even need medical treatment and as we will soon find out with mass titer testing we’ll have probably had considerably more than that exposed who never became symptomatic at all.

Even with the current numbers only 20% of known cases are requiring hospitalization.

And this is a failure, not a success.

How exactly is that a failure? We’ve never developed a test for a newly emerging virus quicker and ours was fielded within 24 hours of the WHO fielding theirs.

Just tuned in.

He seems upbeat.

And we would have had to have 350,000,000 working tests to track this down, with people who never show symptoms and others that dont have them for two weeks. How is any normal test going to track that? At best, it may be useful if it can tell us what percentage are immune.

Not now.

Failure would be Italy…or worse. No. Many states are in the situation of Texas where, with social distancing enforced, it is projected there will be more beds and ICU beds than sick people at the peak. If that is true, that is the most of a success that could be hoped for until a vaccine.

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And we’re rapidly approaching the peak which we should see in the next 5-7 days. I’d say we’re doing very well.

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“We ■■■■■■ up, but hey, we weren’t as bad as Italy!”

:roll_eyes:

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Whose?

You disagree with anything here?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/30/11-100000-what-went-wrong-with-coronavirus-testing-us/%3FoutputType=amp

Cuomo just announced Hospitalizations have been down for three consecutive days and it appears they have reached their peak.

The death toll will of course probably increase for another week or so as those who are already “in the cue” and are very sick will have to still have their cases resolved one way or another.

The worst of the patients and those most likely to die are those who have been hospitalized 11-14 days. Of those who do go on ventilators, so far the recovery rate has been less than 10%.

With the given timeline and what was known and possible what steps should have been taken and when that you consider to be “misses”?

For all the mud slinging none of you have yet been able to lay it out.

We have…many times.

I’m sure you’ve been spending more time reading those fantasy stories where we have a vaccine by September and seven years’ herd immunity by year end, but it’s been laid out many times.

The serum tests/titer tests will tell us how many have been exposed and of those who has developed sufficient immunity to fight it off next time.

They have been discussing at the TF briefings mass testing for the entire country for anyone who wants to get tested to that end and to improve our understanding of how, how fast, and to the overall extent it has spread which will give us more data for future outbreak modeling than we’ve ever had.

If we could even get a third of the population in each county to volunteer that would be the largest data set ever gathered in an epidemic or pandemic.

What that could do for us in the fields of epidemiology and public health/disaster planning for the future is immeasurable.

Wow. Less than 10% is really sad.

People who are so far gone they need to be put on a ventilator for any reason rarely recover.

The longer they are on it the lower the chances of recovery become.

Did I say the numbers of computers infected didn’t matter? I said it does not determine success of failure of the incident response. It can be simply an outcome of a failed plan. But none of my plans said “if you are under 100, you get a gold star, under 1000 you get a silver star, under 10000 you get a bronze star”.

The number of infected is informational. It is more important to understand the data and determine where the hotspots are and contain the spread there.

Again. Leave incident response to the experts.

Is that how success was determined?

Severity not equal to success

Severity would be how many people are sickened to the point they can’t lead their daily lives, the numbers requiring treatment, those who become serious, critical, and those who die.

You aren’t an expert on pandemic response so can the condescending bull ■■■■■

Success is measured in many different ways depending on your criteria.

In this case we did a good job with the travel restrictions which bought us time to prepare.

Success from that point will be measured in how many cases go serious and critical and total mortality.

At the state and local level success will be measured by how much outside help was required from the fed’s in determining how well they were prepared which is showing to be the biggest problem so far.

You can look at many different metrics to determine success overall because there are so many moving parts.

Huh. Imagine that.

I want to work for your company.

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