Colorado Supreme Court removes Trump from 2024 ballot based on 14th Amendment’s ‘insurrectionist ban’

[FreeAndClear]

You guys are stretching. Insurrection does have a specific definition. Trying to make everything like everything else is not an argument of any kind. Insurrection however should not be based on a subjective determination of events by judges

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@toreyj01

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Ah i see gotcha.
So it’s self-executing upon determination that the person is an insurrectionist. That’s the argument got it.

I still do not like it though. The judges took it upon themselves to define that based on their subjective definition of the event and of the actions taken and based upon that they then determined that that means that he is automnatically disqualified.

Correct, and it is their duty to do so, according to the Supremacy Clause in the Constitution. It is messy and a lot of people aren’t going to like it but that is their duty.

Whose duty? The judges? No it is not. Judges interpret law not fact.

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@SpadeMarlowe

To have one world order you have to cut and chop the global supperpowers to peaces. Obama him self said America has to be cut down to size.
There it was from the horses mouth.

The fundamental transformation of America…courtesy of democrat icon barrack Hussein Obama…

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@toreyj01

But that isn’t rebellion or insurrection,

Sorry Torey…

The alleged insurrection you folks keep harping about is nothing more than a political opinion.

If a few hours on one day that was never an insurrection can be randomly declared insurrection…then the intentional allowance of historic numbers of unvetted immigrants overwhelming our country certainly should count.

Fit the record I believe that POS in the White House should be impeached over his border farce. We all know it would never happen republicans don’t have the balls abd democrats don’t have the character to do something that would interfere with their lust for power.

(You disagree and think that’s an extremist rant but that’s my opinion of the democrat party in America today.). Democrats are a political party willing to destroy the country in order to forward their own narrow political interests. Now your party is trying to dictate to Republican voters who they can and can’t vote for?

I think it’s disgusting.

Amen…noone can say it better.

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@SpadeMarlowe

To have one world order you have to cut and chop the global supperpowers to peaces. Obama him self said America has to be cut down to size.
There it was from the horses mouth.

The fundamental transformation of America…courtesy of democrat icon barrack Hussein Obama…

Still!

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@Rodeo

@SpadeMarlowe

To have one world order you have to cut and chop the global supperpowers to peaces. Obama him self said America has to be cut down to size.
There it was from the horses mouth.

The fundamental transformation of America…courtesy of democrat icon barrack Hussein Obama…

Absolutely !
I’ll never forget that.

[FreeAndClear]

And yet the border was more secure under him than it was after the admin that followed him. Anyway Obama hate thread is that way

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@SpadeMarlowe

Amen…noone can say it better.

The democrat party in America today is the single greatest threat we face to our freedom.

Full stop.

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@SpadeMarlowe

Global distribution of wealth and One World Government.
THAT is the reason.
Reason why USSR was dismantled, USA is next

This has to be the silliest thing I have ever read on this forum. The complete ignorance of history is mind boggling

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@FreeAndClear

And yet the border was more secure under him than it was after the admin that followed him. Anyway Obama hate thread is that way

Sure…
…[let me catch my breath]…

He was the one that started separating mothers and children kept in cages.
Then the Left assigned THAT fiasco to Trump and blamed HIM.
You see…not everyone in America is blind and stupid.
People CAN see what’s going on.

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@SpadeMarlowe

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And yet the border was more secure under him than it was after the admin that followed him. Anyway Obama hate thread is that way

Sure…he was the one that started separating mothers and children kept in cages.
Then the Left assigned THAT fiasco to Trump and blamed HIM.
You see…not everyone in America is blind and stupid.
People CAN see what’s going on.

Blah Blah blah. It was more secure than it was under President Trump. Just like the left you guys make the mistake that your biases and your interpretations of events is how everyone should see them. And then accuse others of pretending to be the smartest guys in every room

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@SpadeMarlowe

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No he was declared to be ineligible for the Colorado primary ballot after due process was afforded.

Mmmmmm

Doesn’t ‘Due Process’ require that the defendant be sued and served and be allowed to face the accuser before being declared guilty?

All that took place. The Colorado republicans sued. The the president trump attorneys answered and proceeded with a trial before the court. It was not a sua sponte determination.

There was a case put on by the Colorado republicans and president trumps attorneys.

I still disagree that this was done correctly in the sense that insurrection is subjective in this isnstance and the standard for it should not be based on the fact interpretation of these judges.

The problem I have with it is very similar, if not the same as yours.

“Insurrection” is not defined in the code and there has been no determination that an insurrection occurred. In my opinion, this determination of an insurrection occurred is a prerequisite for any charge of aiding or abetting under the 14th.

That an insurrection occurred is currently based on fee fees, not law, unlike the events that gave rise to the Amendment in the first place.

Secession, subsequent rebellion, war, etc is one case. Very obvious. Plenty of evidence.

The Jan 6th Assault on Our 'Mocracy for 7 hours in which they left of their own accord is a much different case.

If they want to charge insurrection, they need to define it in the code first. Not just rely on the dictionary. Technically, I can make an argument either way.

The dems are screwing up here. They’re making P01135809** a political martyr. Feeding the MAGA Machine.

They had their chance for aiding insurrection in the 2nd impeachment and failed. Didn’t meet the threshhold. If they had, Colorado would have an excellent case.

If I was Rocky Mountain Woke’s counsel, I might use the House vote as the basis for my argument for an insurrection occuring and the subsequent execution of the 14th’s clause, but I don’t think it’s enough without the Senate’s conviction.

It’s an interesting disturbance, but I think it’s going to backfire. The SCOTUS, especially under Roberts, sees their roll as maintaing order through straddling the barbed-wire fence. A few exceptions aside.

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I agree with all of that.

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@SpadeMarlowe

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No he was declared to be ineligible for the Colorado primary ballot after due process was afforded.

Mmmmmm

Doesn’t ‘Due Process’ require that the defendant be sued and served and be allowed to face the accuser before being declared guilty?

Let’s hear what the organic intellectuals have to say.

What does that mean in this context?

It means I’m going to wait on the critprogs to reply and that I’m being charitable. It’s Christmas.

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@toreyj01

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@toreyj01

and self executing.

You keep saying that, where are you getting it?

It means disqualification is automatic. You have no right to be President, this is not a crime you are being convicted of that requires due process. This is a privilege one is simply not qualified to pursue. Who ascertains this privilege is left to the states. If you are 25 years old, you don’t have to have a trial in order for the state to not list you as a Presidential candidate, you don’t qualify. It is self executing and automatic. Same goes for those who support and give comfort to those engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States.

I disagree with it applying to this case. In order to “shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.” an “insurrection” has to have occurred. It’s a prerequisite to the qualification or disqualification.

There has been no legal determination that I am aware of that an insurrection occurred.

It’s not “automatic.”

[WuWei]

Agreed.

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@toreyj01

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@toreyj01

and self executing.

You keep saying that, where are you getting it?

It means disqualification is automatic. You have no right to be President, this is not a crime you are being convicted of that requires due process. This is a privilege one is simply not qualified to pursue. Who ascertains this privilege is left to the states. If you are 25 years old, you don’t have to have a trial in order for the state to not list you as a Presidential candidate, you don’t qualify. It is self executing and automatic. Same goes for those who support and give comfort to those engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States.

THere is no such thing as automatic disqualification. Requirements are not the same thing as disqualification

Agreed.

[WuWei]

Prove an insurrection occurred.

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@toreyj01

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Ah i see gotcha.
So it’s self-executing upon determination that the person is an insurrectionist. That’s the argument got it.

I still do not like it though. The judges took it upon themselves to define that based on their subjective definition of the event and of the actions taken and based upon that they then determined that that means that he is automnatically disqualified.

Correct, and it is their duty to do so, according to the Supremacy Clause in the Constitution. It is messy and a lot of people aren’t going to like it but that is their duty.

According to a legal definition. It is not their duty to create an “insurrection.”

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@FreeAndClear

You guys are stretching. Insurrection does have a specific definition. Trying to make everything like everything else is not an argument of any kind. Insurrection however should not be based on a subjective determination of events by judges

What did he try to make it like?

The fundamental question could very easily be applied to the Summer of Love.

A court in some state could opine that it was an insurrection or rebellion and start hanging or having firing squads by the logic being applied to the Trump case.