Citing Power Shortage, California Asks Drivers to Stop Charging Electric Cars

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Anything with an ICE cannot be counted as ZEV.

They are PZEV. Which hell even some ICEs meet that standard. My Civic meets PZEV regulations.

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I support EVs but that’s just wrong.

They are plug-in hybrids. Not BEVs. They give off emissions anytime the gas engine is used.

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I was using “EV” colloquially. I was referencing the article I posted. That’s the source.

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No they are PHEV

What is the difference between a hybrid and an EV?
The basic difference between the two is that an electric car runs exclusively on electric energy stored in a battery, while a hybrid car runs on a combination of electricity and conventional fuel.

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Which was talking about ZEVs. Goes back to you posting incorrect info.

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That’s the standard. I didn’t make it up. ZEV includes plug in hybrids.

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Actually in CA who came up with definition it is. :person_shrugging:. I can only assume they did it that way so they pat themselves on their back.

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The standard is garbage then. It’s padding numbers.

PIH should be counted as PZEV, not ZEV.

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When you dig into the link Purpl provided…

A) it includes electric motorcycles as EVs (don’t know whether STODR’s link does

B) The million EVs were sold over 11 years. Likely a lot of them being bought by out of state residents (especially early on when you really only could buy an EV from a California dealer).

So yeah there are probably not a million EVs on the road in Cali right now. Indeed “sold” does not equal “on the road”.

And yes…we cannot transition right now to a full on EV future without a serious infrastructure upgrade.

I’m not a fan of California’s new law. This is going to cause the same issues as banning incandescent lights will. You can’t do stuff like that when good replacements aren’t readily available. It always leads to unexpected and usually bad results.

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My link just totals EV by registration which would include anything needing a registration. I assume that would be Motorcycles and even the four wheelers that have to be registered.

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I agree with you that “sold” does not equal “on the road” so Purpl was wrong to make that conclusion.

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Meh 2035, is a long way off and could easily get extended. I see more problems with grid then I do with vehicle prices. But making them mandatory to sell will keep prices higher.

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And what happens when they can’t export oil anymore?

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I think we figured out the delta. ZEV (which was sourced in my article) includes plug-in hybrid and hydrogen fuel cell.

Total ZEV sales reached 1 million earlier this year.

The link stodr provided is only for all electric as of Dec 2021. Close to 600k registered. Probably close to a million now but that’s not what my article was referring to.

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I think the discrepancy is sold doesn’t mean on the road.

There have been a million sold since 2011. Not all of those would have been to in state buyers and some in state buyers have likely moved.

Plus I don’t think plug in hybrids are considered ZEVs and I didn’t see that your article included them either

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So does the US.

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You don’t get to claim hybrids

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According to carb standards, it is.

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“Plug in”

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ICE. No, you don’t get to claim hybrids.