Christian involvement in politics

We’re forgetting 2 Corinthians:

And Jesus said, “Raw dog thine porn stars, and cummeth freely, for it is better to cheat on thine wife whilst recovering from childbirth than when her value hath returned.”

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I voted for Darrell Castle of the Constitution Party in 2016 and Ted Cruz in the Republican primaries for that same reason. I did not want to be part of those that destroyed the credibility of the church. Since Trump has been in office, he has surprised me with the number of things he has done that I like. I thought he would be more like a Democrat in Republican clothing because of his stances on a whole host of issues throughout his life. But for the most part, I have been pleasantly surprised policy wise. On matters of character, well, it’s hard for me to say. I like how he is so bluntly honest and gives no thought to “Oh no, what will they say about me?” On the other hand, the church’s endorsement of everything he says or verbal gymnastics in trying to excuse it is a bigger issue I think. And yet I say this while admitting that sometimes I find myself cheering when the media gets put in their place, like during the 60 Minutes interview. In many ways, I remain just as internally divided about President Trump now as I was in 2016.

Christianity is about loving and obeying Jesus. “If you love me, keep my commandments.”

Matthew 7:1-5 is the most misquoted passage in the Bible. The same Jesus who told us not to judge hypocritically also commanded us to judge. ““Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment” (John 7:24). Plus, in the above mentioned Matthew 7 passage, in verse 5 he actually tells us to remove the problem the speck in our brother’s eye (after we have removed the plank in our own). It’s like a person who is constantly in financial trouble confidently telling another person how to make financial decisions. That’s the kind of judgment being condemned. “Brothers and sisters, if someone is overtaken in any wrongdoing, you who are spiritual, restore such a person with a gentle spirit, watching out for yourselves so that you also won’t be tempted” (Galatians 6:1 CSB).

I agree with you about the mobilization and manipulation of voters. I still think we should have the highest standards when selecting people to rule over us. “Choose competent leaders who fear God, love truth, despise dishonesty, and won’t take bribes” (Exodus 18:21 VOICE). I just don’t think many people in either party are interested in that anymore. Everybody’s new philosophy is “the end justifies the means” and “well, they do it too!” Only a remnant haven’t abandoned their principles and that is sad.

I am aware that Donald Trump does not the bare minimum of what is required to be a Christian. Donald Trump has not confessed his sins and repented of them. He does not believe that he has done anything that requires repentance. Those are his words, not mine. He has also disregarded the body of Christ by partaking of the Eucharist while being in a state of mortal sin. All of which is suddenly ok as long as he nominates the correct judges and passes or overturns the right laws.


And you believe the Press should reveal that to the world?

what the ■■■■ do you think the press is? Trump openly flaunted his affairs for years. He literally operated under the principle that all press is good press because it would grow his brand so he pushed the own narrative of his affair with Marla Maples, made comments about how sexy his infant daughter’s legs would be, talked about how he and his daughter had “sex” as a common interest. These are things he’s willingly publishing to the world. It’s hard to believe that someone could be alive and able to read, use a remote or use a keyboard and not know this.

It is the job of the press to report facts. Just because they’re terrible at it on purpose most of the time doesn’t mean they should ignore facts when they see them.

It was kinda important when people refused to vote for JFK because he was Catholic.

one of the single worst thing to happen in American politics was the rise of the religious right as a voter block before the 1980’s religion in politics was non existent.

What you’ve been seeing a perfect example of what I said when these people have high ideals but lack the principles(morals) to see them through. They talk a nice circle around them but bail in the end.

It may not be the ends justifying the means so much as it is evaluating the politics of the candidate. A person can disapprove of someone’s sex life while finding good–and goodness–in his/her political policies/activities. I do not approve of divorce. Should anyone who has been divorced be considered for public office?

Not being “Christian” enough was one of the major fault of Obama in the eyes of Republicans.

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I understand what you are saying because I do disapprove of his past sex life while approving of many of his policies. I am with you 100% on that. And of course, I’m not saying that a repentant person who has been divorced should not be voted for by Christians. The difference I am intending to highlight (and if I am doing so poorly, please forgive me) is that it is one thing to acknowledge the good a leader is doing. It is another to excuse that behavior, which is what I feel like a lot of Christian Trump supporters did and continue to do when they would never give a leftist regressive the same moral latitude.

People would be more kine on agreeing with you if Christian right had not made personal morality one of the benchmark for their support over the last 4 decades.

The President does not profess to be Catholic. On the other hand, Nancy Pelosi does profess to be Catholic yet favors abortion. I don’t see anyone calling for to give up her office. In fact, people keep voting her in. Shouldn’t people who are outraged about Catholics voting for Trump, be equally outraged about Catholics voting for Pelosi?

Let’s go back to early 2016. I knew I would never vote for Hillary Clinton. At that time, there were five Republican candidates I favored over Donald Trump. He won the nomination…I would never vote for Hillary Clinton, and a vote for any third party candidate would give her the edge. That left Donald Trump. When he won, I had exact same sentiment I had with Barack Obama: I hoped each would have a successful presidency. And, that is what I evaluate now–a successful presidency–and could not care less about evaluating his sex life.

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I think the Christian right (which is how I would classify myself as being a part of) was correct in making personal morality a benchmark for support. My disappointment is in how they allowed themselves to get bribed with the promise of good judges to let those standards relax.

Some of us are more selective in what we read and/or listen to. I am not a fan of gossip.

Not true. I am a Republican, and was at that time. If the posts still exist, you would find me vehemently opposed to people suggesting President Obama was the anti-Christ. He said he was Christian, and therefore paid no attention to those insisting he was secretly Muslim. It wouldn’t have bothered me if he was Muslim.

I don’t see people excusing his past behavior. What I see is indifference towards sexual exploits that took place a decade ago. That is between him and Melania. Should he do something similar now, I would vote for another Republican before I would vote for him. I will not vote Democrat until they pull their own act together and Pelosi is no longer in Congress. Until very recently, I was always proud to vote across party lines. Current behavior/Pelosi changed my mind about doing it now.

Not that I would vote leftist, but should my own politics change, sex exploits ten years ago would not be an issue for me. Sexual exploits in the Oval Office or on the campaign trail I view differently.

You would love visiting my grandmother’s place then. I get to hear about every detail of the lives of the neighbors in her apartment complex that she watches through her window. lol

Politics > god