China lied, more than 75,000 will die in the US and hundreds of thousands around the world

[WildRose]

“Intentionally deceived” is more accurate. They Dishonored only themselves.

[Camp]

It was a crazy move.

Did they think nobody would check and hold them responsible?

[WildRose]

I really don’t think they care about being outed, they got what the wanted.

China didn’t suffer alone in the loss of productivity/GDP and get’s a two month head start on getting their production back up over most of the Industrialized world.

If we hold our ground demanding reparations along with the other major powers along with pulling out most manufacturing they’ll learn a painful lesson.

It all depends on how big of a hold, how many politicians have been paid off here and globally.

Remember the Political Class gets away with such things as insider trading based on classified intel all the time when we’d all end up in prison for years or even decades for doing the same.

[JayJay]

Nope…I’m hearing these arguments on these very boards.

It’s no worse than the flu
We didn’t need to shut down
It just kills those who are going to die anyway

I can post quotes if I need to.

It’s not my problem that depending on what political point you’re trying to score, you morph your argument from “This was the most serious thing in the world” to “We majorly overreacted to just the flu”.

That inconsistency is your issue, not mine.

[WuWei]

@LucyLou

@Optrader

@NuffSaid

@noSpaces

This is also the admin protecting the downside as they keep revising the deaths upwards from their earlier projections.

Its a sad visual to see this administration touting “Only 50K to die? That’s excellent.” to “Only 70K to die? Still excellent!” to “Only 90K to die, still excellent!”

I wish that with this prediction increase would force governors and this administration to evaluate why there’s the predictive increase and try and figure out the best scenario to reduce that number.

If you think of them as fetuses instead of people would that help your visual any, or is 60 million dead still excellent??

"Most of the dead are over sixty five and already very sick patients who were jellylike to succumb to any other complicating factor that came along.

They are people teetering on a cliff in a high wind. This virus just gives them the “final push”."

Just think of them that way. I’ve heard this is acceptable to the cons. It’s just nature.

Who said that?

[Camp]

I think this was too big for it to be business as usual for the political class and China.

We all felt vulnerable without PPE and medication domestic production.

[WuWei]

Because it’s from 2018?

[WildRose]

@JayJay

Nope…I’m hearing these arguments on these very boards.

It’s no worse than the flu
We didn’t need to shut down
It just kills those who are going to die anyway

I can post quotes if I need to.

It’s not my problem that depending on what political point you’re trying to score, you morph your argument from “This was the most serious thing in the world” to “We majorly overreacted to just the flu”.

That inconsistency is your issue, not mine.

No those are YOUR fabrications quoted and preserved for posterity.

@JayJay

But it’s no worse than the flu and it only kills those on their last legs, so who cares whether they told us or not?

It’s nothing to be afraid of…let ‘er rip!

@JayJay

@Camp

That harmed 184 countries.

China has Dishonored the world.

It’s just the flu.

They didn’t harm the world.

The world harmed itself.

That’s the argument I keep hearing, so there’s no reason for the world to be pissed at China.

We don’t shut the economy down for the flu…why should we have shut travel from China because of a disease that just kills people likely to die anyway?

[JayJay]

You said one of them yourself.

“90% of those who died were old and/or had underlying conditions”.

YOU said this one yourself too.

“This hasn’t killed as many as the flu”.

These aren’t my arguments- they are yours.

You want to have it both ways depending on what ■■■■■■■■ political point you’re trying to push.

[mot1man]

@Camp

It was a crazy move.

Did they think nobody would check and hold them responsible?

Certainly not the TDS sufferers here.

[WuWei]

So far, nobody has.

[JayJay]

America is closed for businesses - thank you Democrats!

The people dying from this disease are almost without exception those who were already near the end or in such poor shape already that the next serious cold, flu, or bacterial respiratory infection was going to kill them anyhow. That’s just nature at work. It shouldn’t be exploited as a political issue particularly by those who were dead wrong about the disease and how we should respond to it from the start.

Coronavirus Thread Political II

Which only shows how much deadlier the flu is, particularly for the young and healthy. Most years the vaccine is no more than 40-60% effective at best only half or fewer will even get vaccinated on the average year. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/coverage-1718estimates.htm Either way we still lose 40,000-80,000 Americans to it each year on average. We manage however to go forward each flu season without blowing up the damned economy in panic.

America is closed for businesses - thank you Democrats!

Well that’s just complete nonsense. The groups most at risk are retirees and those with permanent disabilities who have a protected income already. Those who are still working can certainly be taken care of for a tiny fraction of what the shut down is costing us.

All your arguments…not mine.

Nothing to blame China for…it was just the flu…it was just killing those on their last legs…and we panicked.

[Axxowiz]

And how did we get that Unemployment rate? I have a question for a long time bugging me. After China told the WHO the virus was not contagious they stopped all domestic travel from Wuhan, but delayed to do the same internationally for a month. Why?

I am not sure if they can explain that one, and if I was a conspiracy theorist (Which I am not) that would be like winning the golden ticket to the Willy Wonka factory. This whole thing stinks with CCP deception and not only lies but deadly lies that have is crushing the worlds economy.

[JayJay]

@Axxowiz

And how did we get that Unemployment rate? I have a question for a long time bugging me. After China told the WHO the virus was not contagious they stopped all domestic travel from Wuhan, but delayed to do the same internationally for a month. Why?

I am not sure if they can explain that one, and if I was a conspiracy theorist (Which I am not) that would be like winning the golden ticket to the Willy Wonka factory. This whole thing stinks with CCP deception and not only lies but deadly lies that have is crushing the worlds economy.

Who cares?

It’s just the flu. It only kills the old and infirm. We could have protected them and gone about our business, and whichever of them died, well…the next flu was likely taking them out.

But seriously…our intelligence knew China was lying and they briefed the President.

Or tried to.

What China did was the epitome of ■■■■■■ , and they should be held to account…but we were also caught flat-footed.

And the WHO is the way it is not because they are in cahoots with China, but because like any international organization, they are toothless because the member nations want them to be toothless.

They didn’t criticize the Congo…the ■■■■■■■ Congo, who scares absolutely NO ONE in the world, for their terrible response to Ebola.

They aren’t going to criticize China…or the US…for that matter.

Because the WHO is what we want them to be.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Axxowiz

And how did we get that Unemployment rate?

Trump

[DougBH]

@noSpaces

The US admin is keen to shift the attention to China to cover up for their own mishandling of the crisis. The polls are dropping so gotta rile up the base with a scapegoat.

So you see China as the innocent scapegoat and Tump as the villain in the coronavirus issue. That explains the US. Does France, Italy, Spain, Algeria, Uzbekestan, and every other country in the world have their own non China villain?

Did China handle this honestly and forthrightly and do everything they could? If so, why do they not allow WHO and Australia to help trace back the origins of this virus?

I have heard the left complain of anyone who didn’t want maximum sanctions against Russia as “comrade”. The treatment of much of the left towards China is disgraceful…all because they are afraid it will diffuse some of the hatred they want to build up against Trump.

[DougBH]

@JayJay

You said one of them yourself.

“90% of those who died were old and/or had underlying conditions”.

YOU said this one yourself too.

“This hasn’t killed as many as the flu”.

These aren’t my arguments- they are yours.

You want to have it both ways depending on what ■■■■■■■■ political point you’re trying to push.

And you would be fighting back against such arguments where you saw them as meant to diffuse hatred of Trump. Not so much China.

[noSpaces]

Are you saying 20 million Chinese died?

[JayJay]

@DougBH

@JayJay

You said one of them yourself.

“90% of those who died were old and/or had underlying conditions”.

YOU said this one yourself too.

“This hasn’t killed as many as the flu”.

These aren’t my arguments- they are yours.

You want to have it both ways depending on what ■■■■■■■■ political point you’re trying to push.

And you would be fighting back against such arguments where you saw them as meant to diffuse hatred of Trump. Not so much China.

Man did the point I was making go WHOOSH right over your head.

Hint…I’m not defending China.

[Axxowiz]

I understand all that I am not referring to the wrongs or rights of the W.H.O. The answer I have been searching for was why after China knew the virus was contagious did they tell the W.HO. it wasn’t and then locked down Wuhan, not allowing anyone to leave the city by foot, car, or plane but they still allowed people to leave internationally for over a month?

It seems like and important missing piece of the puzzle, or perhaps I just haven’t ran across the answer yet.