Can we tax, spend, open borders, and massively grow federal government into prosperity for all?

[Steel-W0LF]

@Paul_Do

@AZslim

The useless wall, overspending on the military, tax cuts that weren’t paid for, for starters.

The debt went up 7.8 trillion under the former guy.

This is something I find hilarious, cons created a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit and handed it to Obama along with a ressision. Then cons spent 8 years whining about debt and how Obama wasn’t fixing the mess they made fast enough. They legit were in the street whining constantly about spending while Obama reduced the deficit cons created by like a trillion, more than a president had ever done before.

The Trump gets in inherits a good economy and a deficit that was being lowered every year and blows it all up exploding the deficit while the economy was already strong and the same people who apparently cared about spending enough to organize and whine for years about are not just silent but willing to Throw out the election to keep him in power.

Now these same clowns are back to pretending to give a ■■■■ about the deficit/debt. Seriously this ■■■■ is so retarded it is hard to believe.

You should go back and look at your numbers, and base it off who controlled the House of Representatives… you know… the branch that actually controls the budget.

It reverses almost every point you tried to score.

[Rodeo]

@Eagle-Keeper

I’ve still not had anyone in any prior thread tell me how much Medicare for All who can get on our soil is going to cost.

Eventually they will redefine rich.

In keeping with the question posed in your OP…how will all this government impact us?

I m no economist…but when the people of a country turn more and more of their self reliance over to a benevolent big government I can’t see anything but enforced mediocrity for all…

Our lives are made better, richer, more fulfilling by the Opportunity to take risks and see those chances materialize into success. The last thing I want is government determination of my standard of living. It seems reasonable to expect that the more we accept from big brother…the greater the restrictions and conditions coming from big brother’s “benevolence”!

[Rodeo]

And to follow up on the above post…

When risk/reward is replaced by government funded mediocrity …

Doesn’t it stand to reason that the first casualty will he innovationand creativity?

[Paul_Do]

@DougBH

intothe

@tnt

@DougBH

As to the question of whether we should continue to spend trillions of dollars and run this country intothe ground as a social welfare state:

Trump…!!!

Just looking for a little consistency of position from the people involved in teh debate.

Instead of debating solutions plans ect with cons you are stuck debating reality

[Paul_Do]

@CanadianJudo

@DougBH

As to the question of whether we should continue to spend trillions of dollars and run this country intothe ground as a social welfare state:

Trump…!!!

fixing American crumbling infrastructure is socialism?
the only sector of American infrastructure that rates above C is Rail.

I heard 85% of the benefits of the Trump tax cut went towards the the very wealthy

[WuWei]

@Paul_Do

@CanadianJudo

@DougBH

As to the question of whether we should continue to spend trillions of dollars and run this country intothe ground as a social welfare state:

Trump…!!!

fixing American crumbling infrastructure is socialism?
the only sector of American infrastructure that rates above C is Rail.

I heard 85% of the benefits of the Trump tax cut went towards the the very wealthy

You heard wrong.

[wiley8425]

Of course. Freight is way more important than commuters.

[FreeAndClear]

@Camp

I don’t see crumbling highways and bridges and dams.

There are quite a few in need of replacement. States can handle it with some federal fiscal support.

I don’t mind building some electric vehicle charger stations either.

This doesn’t require PR fanfare.

Yeah ok. Infrastructure week. I am sure you didn’t see them then either.

[Rodeo]

@Paul_Do

I heard 85% of the benefits of the Trump tax cut went towards the the very wealthy

I m not very wealthy and I got a tax cut which I in turn re invested in my community, in my retirement, etc. this country experienced a significant economic boom following the tax cuts which benefitted all of us.

So apparently you heard wrong.

[FreeAndClear]

85 isn’t 100.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@JayJay

So I’m not seeing how this type of spending, in which the government has invested since the founding of the Republic, is suddenly a bad thing that will doom us all.

Never said any of that in the OP.

[DougBH]

@CanadianJudo

@DougBH

As to the question of whether we should continue to spend trillions of dollars and run this country intothe ground as a social welfare state:

Trump…!!!

fixing American crumbling infrastructure is socialism?
the only sector of American infrastructure that rates above C is Rail.

Do you know the difference between socialism and a social welfare state?
I suspect Biden could have easily negotiated a deal with Republicans on spending money on real infrastructure. Remember, he told us he could work with both sides of the aisle. He was going to be a uniter, not a divider.

[Rurudyne]

(Music sting)

Don’t weep, stay asleep America
Land of our insider deals,
There’s castles and clothing and food for us
That now belongs to you

Ev’ry appropriation graft, ev’ry appropriation graft
We want to be billionaires
But there’s something still belonging to you
There’s enough for us to take

When it’s payday June and December too
Or in the winter time or spring
There’ll be profits without end
Ev’ry contractor our kin
And ev’ry appropriation graft

[GrandWazoo]

@DougBH

I suspect Biden could have easily negotiated a deal with Republicans on spending money on real infrastructure.

And before Biden could set up a meeting with Republicans Mitch McConnell makes a statement that his infrastructure bill will get no support from his side. He slammed the door shut at the get go.

[NJBob]

@Rodeo

@Paul_Do

I heard 85% of the benefits of the Trump tax cut went towards the the very wealthy

I m not very wealthy and I got a tax cut which I in turn re invested in my community, in my retirement, etc. this country experienced a significant economic boom following the tax cuts which benefitted all of us.

So apparently you heard wrong.

Good for you.

Not everyone got a tax cut from the Trump “tax cut”. My taxes went up significantly.

[Camp]

If it was so bad it should have been done during Trump term.

Hyperbole.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Eagle-Keeper

Eventually they will redefine rich.

They already have but in secret. It will surprise the hard working engineers making less than $200k when it is all said and done.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@FreeAndClear

85 isn’t 100.

Wait… so i take it that you arnt buying “anti-racist math”?

[FreeAndClear]

@Camp

If it was so bad it should have been done during Trump term.

Hyperbole.

Same reason we never saw his health plan? Is this like for a realsies question?

[CanadianJudo]

@DougBH

@CanadianJudo

@DougBH

As to the question of whether we should continue to spend trillions of dollars and run this country intothe ground as a social welfare state:

Trump…!!!

fixing American crumbling infrastructure is socialism?
the only sector of American infrastructure that rates above C is Rail.

Do you know the difference between socialism and a social welfare state?
I suspect Biden could have easily negotiated a deal with Republicans on spending money on real infrastructure. Remember, he told us he could work with both sides of the aisle. He was going to be a uniter, not a divider.

building infrastructure is neither.
like I said its failing apart only one sector is rated above C.