Can we tax, spend, open borders, and massively grow federal government into prosperity for all?

[WuWei]

@Paul_Do

ressision

Recession

[WuWei]

@tnt

7.8T

Where are you getting that number?

[tnt]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/under-donald-trumps-watch-national-debt-increased-78-trillion-1561627%3Famp=1

[CanadianJudo]

American infrastructure is falling apart, its simply going to cost more the longer you wait.

[WuWei]

Although much of the deficit spending under Trump came as a result of the COVID-19 stimulus

Yeah. I agree about the military spending.

[CanadianJudo]

@DougBH

As to the question of whether we should continue to spend trillions of dollars and run this country intothe ground as a social welfare state:

Trump…!!!

fixing American crumbling infrastructure is socialism?
the only sector of American infrastructure that rates above C is Rail.

[Camp]

I don’t see crumbling highways and bridges and dams.

There are quite a few in need of replacement. States can handle it with some federal fiscal support.

I don’t mind building some electric vehicle charger stations either.

This doesn’t require PR fanfare.

[Rodeo]

@Eagle-Keeper

But now don’t you worry the “rich” are going to pay for it all and everyone else will prosper like never before.

I believe it is correct to say we could actually confiscate the wealth of all the rich people…not just tax but take every nickle…

And not make a dent.

I know quoting Tucker Carlson is not something lefties think highly of …

But he’s been talking about how govt isn’t really being funded by taxes anymore…but rather by the random printing of money.

[Tom_Ch]

@DougBH

@Paul_Do

@DougBH

As to the question of whether we should continue to spend trillions of dollars and run this country intothe ground as a social welfare state:

Trump…!!!

Wut?

Why didn’t the cons do something about it when they had complete control? They have no interest in it they just want to whine and confuse the intellectually challenged who don’t have even a surface level understanding of the debt/deficit/budget ect.

There is no wayback machine.
Destroying the country because of what people did or didn’t do back when is not a valid response.

Dems in charge now. So in other word, deal with it.

[Tom_Ch]

@AZslim

The useless wall, overspending on the military, tax cuts that weren’t paid for, for starters.

The debt went up 7.8 trillion under the former guy.

I’m for tax cut. I just wish trump tax cut was focus only on middle class and below.

[Rodeo]

@DougBH

Yes, in response to your actual thread, it is scary the the direction the country is going. And the road to it appears to be paved with “but Trump” and “what about what they said about Obama”.
Not even one slight concern or discussion about where the country is headed now.

Great post and absolutely correct.

It strikes me that “but Trump” is not a valid argument for example re: the border since Biden’s first actions In the White House created a significant crisis at the border…and that he has consistently lied about that crisis since it started.

So indeed…what about the future…

[Eagle-Keeper]

@mwevans1234

@AZslim

I agree we should be careful about spending.

Funny that this thread wasn’t started when the former guy was in office.

Tea Party Avengers…Assemble!

Conservative boomers love buying stuff that blows people up.

They hate roads and bridges though, because millennials should learn to ford the river to elementary school like they did (yes, I know millennials are pushing 40 but conservative boomers still think they are in high school).

Focus on the OP, Dems have all the power now.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@Paul_Do

@AZslim

The debt went up 7.8 trillion under the former guy.

This is something I find hilarious, cons created a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit and handed it to Obama along with a ressision.

There’s nothing in the OP about the debt or deficit. Focus on the OP, present your case.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@DougBH

@Eagle-Keeper

So assuming that the Democrats get all the power they want and push through everything that they want. How do you see things going?

Yes, in response to your actual thread, it is scary the the direction the country is going. And the road to it appears to be paved with “but Trump” and “what about what they said about Obama”.
Not even one slight concern or discussion about where the country is headed now.

Exactly, I didn’t mention a single word about the debt or deficit in the OP. The age of big government is upon us, all I want to do here is discuss whether or not it will bring the prosperity for all.

[JayJay]

@AZslim

Amazing what AM radio talk show hosts were able to accomplish, isn’t it?

Jude Wanniski succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

[GrandWazoo]

@Eagle-Keeper

First of all this will entail eliminating millions of jobs from the US oil and gas sector and putting US oil and gas companies out of business.

That is not going to happen. The gas sector will increase as more power generation will continue to convert to gas driven plants. Gas has evolved into a massive profit making business. And the oil sector is very stable. It is projected that by 2040 the big increase will be diesels doubling from 2% to 4%. Electric vehicles will be 1% of sales. So the gasoline vehicle market will continue to increase. Not to mention all of the other markets that the oil industry services. What Biden is supporting is taking away big oil federal subsidies. that they do not need to stay profitable.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@Rodeo

@Eagle-Keeper

But now don’t you worry the “rich” are going to pay for it all and everyone else will prosper like never before.

I believe it is correct to say we could actually confiscate the wealth of all the rich people…not just tax but take every nickle…

And not make a dent.

I’ve still not had anyone in any prior thread tell me how much Medicare for All who can get on our soil is going to cost.

Eventually they will redefine rich.

[JayJay]

Infrastructure projects are the kinds of things governments are at the right scale to be financing.

So I’m not seeing how this type of spending, in which the government has invested since the founding of the Republic, is suddenly a bad thing that will doom us all.

[DougBH]

@CanadianJudo

@DougBH

As to the question of whether we should continue to spend trillions of dollars and run this country intothe ground as a social welfare state:

Trump…!!!

fixing American crumbling infrastructure is socialism?
the only sector of American infrastructure that rates above C is Rail.

Is roads and bridges what this spending is about?

[WuWei]

@JayJay

Infrastructure projects are the kinds of things governments are at the right scale to be financing.

So I’m not seeing how this type of spending, in which the government has invested since the founding of the Republic, is suddenly a bad thing that will doom us all.

I agree about the scaling. However is it really an infrastructure bill?