Can we talk about Mexico paying for the wall?

[Smyrna]

@wonderingrover

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but illegal immigrants in this country aren’t going to magically fly to wherever they came from just because there’s a wall. We’ll still be educating them, paying for their healthcare, etc.

Oh, and guess what? There will be new ones every year that overstay their visas, or find ways to circumvent that silly wall.

Yep…but “we” will have stopped the bleeding and can now address a problem that is no longer growing.

[IBC]

@Smyrna

Nope…I don’t but that doesn’t negate the reality of what I said.

The fact that what you said isn’t reality negates the reality of what you said. Tax savings =/= Mexico paying for the wall.

Call Trump’s bluster hyperbole, that’s fine. There’s no reason to cling to the Mexico will pay for it angle. They won’t.

[IBC]

@Guvnah

I certainly didn’t buy the claim that he could eliminate the debt in 8 years, or whatever it was.

And given that Trump himself can’t repeal O’Care or even cut the deficit, (and knowing the RINOs he was going to be dealing with during his term), I had no expectation of either succeeding.

Maybe you’ve answered this question and I apologize if you have and I missed it, but why did you vote for Trump if you think most of what he ran for were lies or undeliverable?

[Smyrna]

@IBC

Tax savings =/= Mexico paying for the wall.

The people of what country make up the preponderance of tax payer money being spent illegal immigration?

[IBC]

@Smyrna

The people of what country make up the preponderance of tax payer money being spent illegal immigration?

That tax payer money isn’t coming from Mexico. Mexico’s government isn’t going to pay a dime or lose a dime if we get tax relief from the wall.

At best, your argument is that a subset of the common citizens of Mexico is going to “pay” for the wall by not receiving tax dollars from the US. Leaving aside the convoluted nature of that line of reasoning, a subset of Mexican citizens =/= Mexico.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Guvnah

I certainly didn’t buy the claim that he could eliminate the debt in 8 years, or whatever it was.

And given that Trump himself can’t repeal O’Care or even cut the deficit, (and knowing the RINOs he was going to be dealing with during his term), I had no expectation of either succeeding.

Wow its like he was straight up lying about his top 3 campaign promises

[Guvnah]

@IBC

why did you vote for Trump if you think most of what he ran for were lies or undeliverable?

Because I voted 3rd party.

[Guvnah]

@ImRightYoureWrong

Wow its like he was straight up lying about his top 3 campaign promises

To you, it was like that.

I could say the same about many Dem campaign pledges. ( shrug )

[IBC]

@Guvnah

Because I voted 3rd party.

Gotcha.

10 third parties

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Guvnah

To you, it was like that.

I could say the same about many Dem campaign pledges. ( shrug )

You just said you didnt believe what he was saying about his top 3 campaign pledges. Let me guess “truthful hyperbole”? Now you’re running with whataboutism? Wow…

[Guvnah]

@ImRightYoureWrong

You just said you didnt believe what he was saying about his top 3 campaign pledges. Let me guess “truthful hyperbole”? Now you’re running with whataboutism? Wow…

I don’t believe most campaign pledges from just about any politician.

It’s not mere “whataboutism”.

To me, politicians are like used car salesmen.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Guvnah

I don’t believe most campaign pledges from just about any politician.

It’s not mere “whataboutism”.

To me, politicians are like used car salesmen.

Ohh right now trump is just like every other politician. Whataboutism. Yeah so what that he lied on all his major platforms. I’m sure you also didnt reaaaallllyy believe that Hillary would follow through on her plans too

[Guvnah]

@ImRightYoureWrong

(Snip blah, blah, blah)

Insert something I didn’t say…

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Guvnah

Insert something I didn’t say…

Oh so you did believe trump when he said he would reduce the debt, when he said he would repeal Obamacare and create a new system, and that Mexico would pay for the wall, and you did view him as not a normal politician?

[Guvnah]

@ImRightYoureWrong

Oh so … (insert something else you made up…)

[ImRightYoureWrong]

Snipping and altering posts is against TOS. Why cant you directly answer? Do you or do you not believe trump lied about reducing the debt, making Mexico pay for the wall, and repealing Obamacare with a replacement? Do you or do you not view trump as just another politician?

[Smyrna]

@IBC

That tax payer money isn’t coming from Mexico. Mexico’s government isn’t going to pay a dime or lose a dime if we get tax relief from the wall.

At best, your argument is that a subset of the common citizens of Mexico is going to “pay” for the wall by not receiving tax dollars from the US. Leaving aside the convoluted nature of that line of reasoning, a subset of Mexican citizens =/= Mexico.

If you are here illegally from Mexico and American taxpayers are paying billions of dollars annually to support you but a wall will stop this in the future, if you’re a taxpayer…you can justify that Mexico paid for the wall.

[Blackwolf]

@ImRightYoureWrong

Wow its like he was straight up lying about his top 3 campaign promises

Few people, even Trumpists, were naive enough to believe Donald’s campaign promises. Trumpists were driven to kneel before him, and continue to be driven to do so, by different motivations.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Blackwolf

Few people, even Trumpists, were naive enough to believe Donald’s campaign promises. Trumpists were driven to kneel before him, and continue to be driven to do so, by different motivations.

So they didnt believe him about the wall, the debt, health care, locking up hillary… he could shoot someone on 5th ave for surez

[Blackwolf]

1. SCOTUS
2. No “President Hillary”
3. Cry moar, libs

Anything else is gravy. That Donald’s an incompetent reprobate dividing the country and tainting conservatism is immaterial.