Can we all agree that there is no objective criteria of who is/was a good/great president

[WuWei]

Mod Note

This is neither another COVID update nor another Trump sucks thread. It is a discussion of the subjectivity of evaluating Presidents in general. If you cannot stay on topic, there are plenty of the others already open. This is the warning.

[WuWei]

A republican? I am surprised.

Speaking of Vietnam…

[biggestal99]

@Eagle-Keeper

This is not about Trump, nor am I in anyway arguing that he is a “good” president. Let’s take Ronald Reagan. I’ve numerous things from both sides over the years on Reagan. Those on the left think he was awful and those on the right think he was great. The same could be said about Clinton. There’s no consensus.

Have you ever heard of a little thing called Iran-contra to circumvent congress?

I am sure that even the right knows that was bad.

The defense secretary had to be pardoned by Bush.

Otherwise it was the hooscow for him.

Allan

Allan

[biggestal99]

@biggestal99

Have you ever heard of a little thing called Iran-contra to circumvent congress?

I am sure that even the right knows that was bad.

The defense secretary had to be pardoned by Bush.

Otherwise it was the hooscow for him.

Allan

Allan

Arms to terrorists for hostages.

What a great president.

Allan

[Eagle-Keeper]

Show me where I argued that anyone was a great or even good president. The whole point is that it’s a largely subjective endeavor.

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

hooscow

The Boland Amendment was unConstitutional.

[coolidge]

@Sknyluv

No no no no nope. You don’t get to change history. No no no. Trump is not normal. He is not something that should be accepted and normalized. He is worse than other Presidents. He is bad. Do not normalize Trump and this administration.

I posts like this. It encapsulates the shrieking and crying, coming from the left. Trump beats hillary and the heartbroken liberals are still melting down.

[coolidge]

Ohh that sounds bad were there impeachment hearings?

[coolidge]

I am not so sure good presidents are 100 percent subjective. Washington set a very high precedent. Lincoln is a close second. There does seem to be more subjective and personal attributes with presidents from 1900 on. I think teddy roosevelt was a mixed bag. Fdr was as well.
So, to me, there seems to be a certain quality of a president earlier on that may not be so apparent in today’s political spectrum.

[WuWei]

@coolidge

Washington set a very high precedent.

Washington marched on his own troops.

[coolidge]

I didn’t know this

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

The Boland Amendment was unConstitutional

Then why not go to court.

That’s the way it is properly done.

Allan

[biggestal99]

@Eagle-Keeper

Show me where I argued that anyone was a great or even good president. The whole point is that it’s a largely subjective endeavor.

Nope there is criteria used by every historian.

Allan

[Safiel]

@WuWei

@coolidge

Washington set a very high precedent.

Washington marched on his own troops.

He marched on a gathering of rebels.

Then he turned around and pardoned the whole lot of them as an act of goodwill.

[WuWei]

Court don’t get hostages back.

[WuWei]

@Safiel

@WuWei

@coolidge

Washington set a very high precedent.

Washington marched on his own troops.

He marched on a gathering of rebels.

Then he turned around and pardoned the whole lot of them as an act of goodwill.

He marched on vets who got screwed over by ■■■■■■■■ Hamilton to steal their land for his cronies.

He pardoned them to keep from having another rebellion.

■■■■ him.

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

Court don’t get hostages back.

So the ends justify the needs in this case.

I disagree wholeheartedly.

Allan

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

@WuWei

Court don’t get hostages back.

So the ends justify the needs in this case.

I disagree wholeheartedly.

Allan

So Obama should be in prison. I like it.

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

So Obama should be in prison. I like it.

Prison. Lol.

For what?

Being a Democrat?

Allan

[WuWei]

Extrajudicial execution of US citizens.