Blinken tells Netanyahu to surrender to Hamas

They will likely continue to call themselves Hamas.

Why would they simply allow them to again threaten Israel?

Gaza today is a stinking pile of rubble. I see no way that gets rebuilt without some radical changes.

With the Palestinian Authority governing Gaza and Israel providing security, I see possible rebuilding. Outside of that, it will likely remain a stinking pile of rubble.

You seem to be missing the point. Without reading the WSJ story, I have no idea of what the General said or the context in which he said it.

Find me the story quoting the general and we can review it together.

In any case, he is a retired general. Thus, he can only offer his opinion.

Media quoting the general. Are you suggesting he didn’t say it?

If you have some information that shows Hamas is “history” and no longer an effective fighting force, I’d like to see it. I can provide link after link that says the opposite.

Then read the WSJ story. The general was speaking to a WSJ reporter, so all of stories quoting it will refer to that story.

We’ve been over this and over this. Israel won’t “allow” anything. They have been trying to destroy Hamas for years, and they’ve been trying to prevent Hamas from arming for much longer than that. They have failed every time.

Your response: This time is different!

The link is broken. I have no intention of tracking down the story.

Please do. Thus far you have failed to do so.

It’s not broken, it’s behind a paywall. You don’t get to read the WSJ for free.

Since I have no intention of paying for it, for all intents and purposes it is broken. Thus, it seems we will never know exactly what the general said and in what context he said it.

Etc., etc.

This time it is different. You simply have to look at the stinking pile of rubble that once was Gaza to see that.

:sweat_smile: Perfect.

You are simply providing like-minded material supporting your arguments. They are taking small snippets of factual information and spinning them to portray Hamas as something it’s not.

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Wow, you read those fast! :wink: “Show me some links,” he says. “No, not those links,” he says. :smiley:

Let’s take this one.

They see a protracted guerrilla conflict in Gaza. That’s fine. Hamas remnants will take pot shots at Israeli troops. Israel will continue to pound them. Gaza will remain a stinking pile of rubble.

But Israeli citizens will be safe.

Interestingly, the article talks about removing Hamas from power. But Hamas isn’t in power.

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I guess you agree with me after all. Hamas is still an effective fighting force, so you decided to move the goalposts.

Guerilla warfare isn’t remotely the same as deploying an effective fighting force. They are simply remnants who spend most of their time in hiding, occasionally raising their head and taking pot shots at an occupying force.

Those kinds of tactics will ensure Gaza never gets rebuilt and will certainly pose no threat to Israel.

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I should have clarified.

I’m not interested in reading your like-minded material. You’ve done a good job articulating your position. Reading a like-minded link doesn’t add any more credibility to your position. It simply demonstrates there are more out there who believe as you do.

IMO, Israel will not allow it.

It could still happen all the same, but not because Israel told Gaza, “Yeah, go ahead and arm up.”

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You couldn’t be more wrong. Some of history’s most effective fighting forces have been guerilla forces. I’m sure you know that.