Blinken tells Netanyahu to surrender to Hamas

[peek-a-boo]

@Samm

C’mon man, they impressed the Media, didn’t they?

They apparently impressed @Oryx as well.

[Samm]

@Oryx

@peek-a-boo

A handful of terrorists dressed up in shiny new uniforms for the cameras. That hardly qualifies as a reconstitution of Hamas as an effective fighting force.

From the link:

Yet the Israeli military’s advancements were constantly undermined by Hamas’ ability to quickly replace its leadership and rebuild its forces by making use of the nature of the prolonged war.

Sinwar’s younger brother, Mohammed, is currently in charge of the group and has put his focus on rebuilding Hamas through the promise of food and revenge to a new generation of fighters convinced that Israel is to blame for the 15-months of devastation in Gaza.

“We are in a situation where the pace at which Hamas is rebuilding itself is higher than the pace that the IDF is eradicating them,” Amir Avivi, a retired Israeli brigadier general, told the Wall Street Journal earlier this month.

Arab officials told the outlet that Hamas may have recruited thousands of new operatives in recent months, by using the humanitarian crisis in Gaza to its advantage.

Reliable source if an ambiguous claim?

[Oryx]

@peek-a-boo

Spin, not fact.

Retired Israeli brigadier general: “We are in a situation where the pace at which Hamas is rebuilding itself is higher than the pace that the IDF is eradicating them."

Arab officials: Hamas may have recruited thousands of new operatives in recent months, by using the humanitarian crisis in Gaza to its advantage.

Random Trump voter on the internet: Spin, not fact.

[Oryx]

@Samm

Everyone is NOT assuming that this time it will be different. In fact, no knowledgeable person is saying that.

Tell it to @peek-a-boo

[Oryx]

@Samm

What I would like to know is how they have remained a fighting force (effective or not) for 16 months. One would have thought that their munitions would have been exhausted months ago.

This is a very good question.

[Oryx]

@Samm

Reliable source if an ambiguous claim?

The source is vague, I’ll grant you that. I haven’t seen anything that proves it false.

[Samm]

@Oryx

@Samm

Everyone is NOT assuming that this time it will be different. In fact, no knowledgeable person is saying that.

Tell it to @peek-a-boo

I haven’t seen one post from him that says it will be different other than the name of the group attacking Israel. Perhaps you are having a different conversation than the rest of us.

[Samm]

@Oryx

@Samm

Reliable source if an ambiguous claim?

The source is vague, I’ll grant you that. I haven’t seen anything that proves it false.

Me ether. But that in no way gives it credence. You’d be better off not using it to defend your thesis that Hamas is still an effective fighting force.

[peek-a-boo]

@Oryx

Retired Israeli brigadier general: “We are in a situation where the pace at which Hamas is rebuilding itself is higher than the pace that the IDF is eradicating them."

The article’s link of that supposed statement to the WSJ is broken. We really don’t know what was said.

Arab officials: Hamas may have recruited thousands of new operatives in recent months, by using the humanitarian crisis in Gaza to its advantage.

That isn’t a sourced quote. We have no idea what officials are being referred to.

The article is mostly spin with an agenda that seems to line up with your agenda.

Random Trump voter on the internet: Spin, not fact.

I didn’t vote for Trump this go round. I’m not some random person on the internet. I’m a member of this forum expressing an opinion that is obviously at odds with yours.

[Oryx]

@Samm

I haven’t seen one post from him that says it will be different other than the name of the group attacking Israel.

You need to read again.

[Oryx]

@Samm

Me ether. But that in no way gives it credence. You’d be better off not using it to defend your thesis that Hamas is still an effective fighting force.

Why are you ignoring the other named source I quoted?

[Oryx]

@peek-a-boo

I’m not some random person on the internet.

We’re all random people on the internet.

[Oryx]

The nice thing about this argument is that events will resolve it in the near future.

[Samm]

@Oryx

@Samm

I haven’t seen one post from him that says it will be different other than the name of the group attacking Israel.

You need to read again.

You need to point it out. Your interpretation of his posts is probably different than mine.

[Samm]

@Oryx

@Samm

Me ether. But that in no way gives it credence. You’d be better off not using it to defend your thesis that Hamas is still an effective fighting force.

Why are you ignoring the other named source I quoted?

What source is that? The NY Post?

[peek-a-boo]

@Oryx

We’re all random people on the internet.

We are members of this forum.

[Oryx]

@Samm

What source is that? The NY Post?

The NY Post quoting a Wall Street Journal story. Are you suggesting the general didn’t say that?

[peek-a-boo]

@Samm

What source is that? The NY Post?

I believe @Oryx is referring to me.

Yes, some number of Palestinians will pledge their loyalty to Hamas. Yes, they will be counted as soldiers. But they are not even remotely as effective as those that are being killed.

My position is that following October 7th, everything is different this time around. Israel is not going to simply sit back and allow Hamas to rearm and once again threaten the State of Israel.

I believe Israel is biding its time, while getting as many of the hostages released as possible. Once that process is complete, all bets will be off.

I see no possible outcome, where Hamas is again in charge of Gaza.

[Oryx]

Unless I’m mistaken you’re arguing that Israel will not allow any fighting force to threaten them from Gaza again, no matter what they call themselves. That’s where I think you’re wrong.

[Samm]

@Oryx

@Samm

What source is that? The NY Post?

The NY Post quoting a Wall Street Journal story. Are you suggesting the general didn’t say that?

Media quoting the Media. Classic!