Biden's rope-a-dope vs. Trump

Camp · 2020-06-30T18:05:58.249Z

Defund the police isn’t a politically savvy move.

Blackwolf · 2020-06-30T18:06:52.548Z

Agree that the VP pick with be critical for Biden, and likewise agree that if Donald is going to have a chance he needs to get back to the nonstop rallies. Holding them outdoors seems a perfectly viable strategy - I wonder why his team isn’t doing it.

SixFoot · 2020-06-30T18:08:49.113Z

Blackwolf:

my question is does Biden have to?

Eventually.

tnt · 2020-06-30T18:10:34.225Z

SixFoot:

Give Biden a chance to sniff some fresh air first. He’ll have to talk about how much kids love rubbing his harry legs in the pool soon enough. lol

I just heard him speaking on teh way home. Was listening on fox. Not sure where he was speaking.

Sounded very coherent and on message. I was actually surprised at how strong he sounded.

Blackwolf · 2020-06-30T18:13:24.560Z

SixFoot:

Eventually.

Sure, but right now Donald is doing all the heavy lifting damaging his own re-election campaign. Why get in his way?

ohknow35 · 2020-06-30T18:14:55.364Z

It’s all over.

All hail president gropey joe!!

trump in a landslide.

WorldWatcher · 2020-06-30T18:16:52.877Z

Blackwolf:

Agree that the VP pick with be critical for Biden, and likewise agree that if Donald is going to have a chance he needs to get back to the nonstop rallies. Holding them outdoors seems a perfectly viable strategy - I wonder why his team isn’t doing it.

My thoughts? (Not in particular order)

I would think the SS might have strong input against outside v. inside venues. Interiors are easier to control an outside venure adds more variables to the equation.
Weather does not have to be a factor for inside venues, without outside venues you can have weeks of planning ruined at the last minute by a change in the weather.
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NebraskaFootball · 2020-06-30T18:18:34.497Z

WorldWatcher:

Blackwolf:

Agree that the VP pick with be critical for Biden, and likewise agree that if Donald is going to have a chance he needs to get back to the nonstop rallies. Holding them outdoors seems a perfectly viable strategy - I wonder why his team isn’t doing it.

My thoughts? (Not in particular order)

I would think the SS might have strong input against outside v. inside venues. Interiors are easier to control an outside venure adds more variables to the equation.

Weather does not have to be a factor for inside venues, without outside venues you can have weeks of planning ruined at the last minute by a change in the weather.
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.WW, PHS

Indeed. However, the idea has been floated of having them in airplane hangars, which would give cover from the weather, and still allow the outside aspects of protection. My reading has shown that Trump has largely opposed this because these venues are not large enough and he wants a show of attendance. My assumption is because of his ego.

IBC · 2020-06-30T18:20:55.924Z

Blackwolf:

Without having read the article, my question is does Biden have to? Right now it seems a viable strategy to lay low and avoid as many missteps as possible while Donald stumbles about onto one landmine after another with various crises raging around him. The latest was the re-tweet of the supporter from “The Villages” retirement community in Florida. The reports are that his staff scrambled to contact Donald to remove the re-tweet but it remained up for three hours because he was not available.

Which underscores the thought that there isn’t a whole lot Biden can do in terms of campaign strategy that would be more effective beyond standing back and let Trump do what Trump does best.

Precisely. And Biden’s handlers know that. Biden knows enough to listen to his handlers.

Camp · 2020-06-30T18:24:01.894Z

That should be an acceptable option.

Trump will need to adapt on this or perhaps politically perish to the gnome in the basement.

NebraskaFootball · 2020-06-30T18:26:43.847Z

Trump does not seem capable of adapting.

W_and_C · 2020-06-30T18:29:47.563Z

Blackwolf:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

That said… I’m still predicting Trump will pull it out

Without discounting the very real possibility of Trump being re-elected, what has you predicting this? Just curious where you see advantages for him in this current climate.

Never underestimate Trump’s ability to sell.
Left is going too far with the anti-law enforcement stuff. Even if Biden isn’t for it, it could be tied to him. I.e. vote for the guy who’s most likely to be the opposite of that (not Biden).
Culture war/cancel culture. Trump can use that to his advantage.
Polls actually may be skewed incorrectly this time. State polls weren’t great in 2016, WI in particular.
Lastly, conventional wisdom doesn’t apply to Trump and his appeal - I’d say that is rather unconventional.

But then again, I could be completely mistaken. I have been before

Yossarian · 2020-06-30T18:32:24.661Z

Camp:

Defund the police isn’t a politically savvy move.

Biden doesn’t support that.
Now, trump filing in SCOTUS to repeal Obama Care in the midst of a pandemic?

conan · 2020-06-30T18:36:33.533Z

Trump is making lot of mistakes as of late…but so are the republicans.

Bigjohn · 2020-06-30T18:39:53.938Z

Dementia Donnie Vs Rope-a-dope Joe

Bigjohn · 2020-06-30T18:42:50.494Z

Not that I disagree with the move but the timing sucks simply due to optics. They are basically writing the next Lincoln Project video for them.

TommyLucchese · 2020-06-30T18:46:29.233Z

I can’t imagine why the campaign run by a website designer who has literally no experience in politics and jack of no trades, master of none Jared Kushner is going so poorly.

TommyLucchese · 2020-06-30T18:48:44.191Z

They’re not turning on Trump. They know the only thing he listens to is coverage of Donald Trump, so these are his allies doing that thing that many presidential campaign managers have had to do in private over the years in the home stretch of a campaign: scream in their face, “DO YOU ■■■■■■■ WANT THIS? OR DO YOU WANT TO GO HOME? WELL THEN START ACTING LIKE IT!”

Blackwolf · 2020-06-30T18:50:53.750Z

Good points all around. I’d argue, however, that with mail in ballots beginning to be sent in in as little as what - ten weeks from now? - Donald is out of time. He needs to push and push hard if he is serious about wanting a second term.

PurpnGold · 2020-06-30T18:54:15.884Z

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Never underestimate Trump’s ability to sell

And who he is selling to…