Because we are morally superior

[bootz]

does not mean it is the American way

[bootz]

not always, perhaps that is wrong to think it should be

[bootz]

who is that?

[bootz]

it is all you have,

[bootz]

especially if you are an empire. Not US

[BigBear]

@bootz

who is that?

Derp, derp.

[bootz]

your best response ever.

[Toll_Collector]

@mobulis

We don’t have the right, just the power.

You sir, have hit the nail on the head.

[bootz]

9/11 remember

[mobulis]

@zantax

@TheRedComet

When you have the biggest stick you tend to be the most powerful cave man.

That said, from a moral standpoint we have no real right to tell other nations what weapons they can have and not have.

But international politics are not moral, either. You do what is in your interests.

Of course we have that right. All people and nations have a right to self defense. If I don’t cut my lawn often enough or keep my trim painted that doesn’t mean I forfeit the right to object to my psychopathic neighbor buying a tank.

Self defense doesn’t mean you have the right to tell others what weapon’s they can have.

[Toll_Collector]

@mobulis

Of course we have that right. All people and nations have a right to self defense. If I don’t cut my lawn often enough or keep my trim painted that doesn’t mean I forfeit the right to object to my psychopathic neighbor buying a tank.

I think you’re confusing a right with power. If I have a right to own guns but tell my neighbor he can’t because I know he hates me, that’s my power over him, not my right. Since I already have guns and am stronger, I get to make the rules. That’s power. I’m not saying this is wrong or that we shouldn’t do this, just recognizing what it is.

[Toll_Collector]

Sorry mobulis, I don’t think that was your quote and I don’t know how to fix it.

[SimplyTrying]

Hard to follow this conversation.

[zantax]

@Toll_Collector

@mobulis

Of course we have that right. All people and nations have a right to self defense. If I don’t cut my lawn often enough or keep my trim painted that doesn’t mean I forfeit the right to object to my psychopathic neighbor buying a tank.

I think you’re confusing a right with power. If I have a right to own guns but tell my neighbor he can’t because I know he hates me, that’s my power over him, not my right. Since I already have guns and am stronger, I get to make the rules. That’s power. I’m not saying this is wrong or that we shouldn’t do this, just recognizing what it is.

No, that is using power to exercise your right to survive.

[mobulis]

@zantax

@Toll_Collector

@mobulis

Of course we have that right. All people and nations have a right to self defense. If I don’t cut my lawn often enough or keep my trim painted that doesn’t mean I forfeit the right to object to my psychopathic neighbor buying a tank.

I think you’re confusing a right with power. If I have a right to own guns but tell my neighbor he can’t because I know he hates me, that’s my power over him, not my right. Since I already have guns and am stronger, I get to make the rules. That’s power. I’m not saying this is wrong or that we shouldn’t do this, just recognizing what it is.

No, that is using power to exercise your right to survive.

Well then gun control is some of us using power to exercise our right to survive.

[zantax]

@mobulis

@zantax

@Toll_Collector

@mobulis

Of course we have that right. All people and nations have a right to self defense. If I don’t cut my lawn often enough or keep my trim painted that doesn’t mean I forfeit the right to object to my psychopathic neighbor buying a tank.

I think you’re confusing a right with power. If I have a right to own guns but tell my neighbor he can’t because I know he hates me, that’s my power over him, not my right. Since I already have guns and am stronger, I get to make the rules. That’s power. I’m not saying this is wrong or that we shouldn’t do this, just recognizing what it is.

No, that is using power to exercise your right to survive.

Well then gun control is some of us using power to exercise our right to survive.

You don’t have the power, which is why guns are still legal.

[Toll_Collector]

@zantax

No, that is using power to exercise your right to survive.

I don’t believe I said otherwise.

[Kevhead]

How did we “go down the tubes”?

[bootz]

are you changing your stance?

[bootz]

that is a fair assessment, might makes right.