Back when I was a good conservative

As long as you endorse Trump asking a foreign leader to announce an investigation into a political rival, just don’t be surprised when that tactic is used in the near future.

He doesn’t have to ask the DOJ. The english asked the Ukraine to investigate too.

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Nothing Trump did in that way could match the three year farce investigation about the Russian collusion conspiracy theory. Nothing.
If you want to look to something to start the ball rolling, look at that.

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Asking foreigners to dig up dirt on a political opponent already has been - including paying for it. At worst, this is just another escalation.

I’m still with you on this Conan.

The English conducted their own investigation. They asked they asked the prosecutor general in Ukraine to supply some documentation. Who then tipped off the Burisma owner to the investigation.

Didn’t work out too well.

No need to. Just need the announcement. You’ve already approved the tactic. I’m sure there are many believable accusations.

Worked out fine for Burisma.

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I get what you are saying, but the problem was with mass warrantless surveillance, not with information gained with a warrant or obtained because of a subpoena.

My opinion is that the author is conflating two issues in order to bring confusion into the conversation and once again have the argument that the American people do not have a right to know this information that is being done by public officials.

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Utter nonsense and a misrepresentation of what I have “approved”.

I think this would be the appropriate place to post this. Thought of starting another thread, but figured I’d springboard off Conan’s instead because it’s pertinent.

The Pensacola shooting is being investigated as a terrorist act.

Doing so, she said, “allows us to take advantage of investigative techniques that can help us more quickly identify and then eliminate any additional threats to the rest of our community.”

So what techniques are being taken advantage of? What liberties are we losing when the FBI use these tactics, and where do we draw the line in determining that these techniques can be used?

I have reservations on both fronts. In this particular case, I highly doubt the ticking time bomb scenario is in play. But if it’s a sleeper cell scenario, perhaps it is. I think the guy was unstable and just went nutso because of the porn stash razzing, and some people just can’t take a little poking fun at them.

This part was interesting as you quoted.

Doing so, she said, “allows us to take advantage of investigative techniques that can help us more quickly identify and then eliminate any additional threats to the rest of our community.”

I read where collection of metadata didn’t stop or even prevent one terrorist act.

IMO this program needs to end, telecommunication companies need to erase history of all phone calls after 180 days and extreme restrictions on FISA if not outright eliminated. I personally what it eliminated because I feel it’s unconstitutional.

And now I’m hearing that FBI (IG report) wasn’t any political bias concerning FISA.

I call BS.

Impossible. Everyone knows libs think in hive mind. There is no variance in their reasoning, therefore it is perfectly legitimate to make generalizations about them because it is in fact not a generalization but simple truth.

Therefore, if you say you want to protect privacy you cannot be a lib.

You have stated over and over again that there was nothing wrong with the President asking a foreign leader to announce an investigation into his political rival. Why would you have an issue with the Dems doing the same thing?

I approve of investigations where investigations are warranted. I do not approve of fishing expeditions like asking for all of someones taxes or financial records even when no probable cause exists.
Are specific investigations into Burisma and the Biden’s based on reasonable cause? I conclude yes. I do not buy that just because Democrats say “debunked” there is not anything there. Lets see the details of the reports that supposedly “debunked” these issues.
If requests are made all over the place for invalid reasons, then the place to handle that is in the ballot box, not an impeachment that is itself for political purposes only.

When @conan was a good conservative, the libs here loved and adored him and RHINOs hated him.

Now that libs have done their usual political flip-flop and conan hasn’t… :man_shrugging:

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That’s not quite how I remember it … :wink:

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No. A diplomat assumed he wanted a foreign leaders to announce an investigation into a rival (cough! Cough!) politician.

There is a very clear difference between someone abusing their power and someone just doing their job. I’m amazed at how so many are so intentionally obtuse in regard to this.

Show the evidence of corruption please