As we do our Christmas shopping this year, let’s try to remember
That Amazon hates America and wants us all dead.
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well that’s the entire left. just a way of life these days
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Does Amazon hate America? It’s the giant it is because it followed the American Dream. It “built a better mousetrap, and people beat a path to their door.”
Amazon is biggest because everyone goes to it.
It has a convenient user interface. Effectively, Amazon built the proverbial “better mousetrap.” And that’s why we go to that site.
Amazon has laid off 14,000 employees as part of a 35,000 employee down-sizing.
Meanwhile, it lies like a Democrat
fraudulently claiming
“We can’t find skilled Americans” becoming the #1 user of the H1-B visa by far
(3x more than #2).
They lie.
They make a profit by lying,
by saying things that are not true.
They built a better mousetrap? Yeah just like Elizabeth Holmes (phony blood tests), Trevor Milton (phony electric trucks), and Bernie Madoff (phony investments) all did.
If you are not aware of that, it is only because, for now, their fraud is quarantined to employees and employment law.
Yup.
It’s the easiest and fastest way to find the best-priced Amana washing machine motor coupling, or whirlpool dryer heating element, or Chevrolet motor air filter, or a particular brand and size of running shoe, all at the same place, and then have it delivered.
As for H1-B visas, if they’re willing to pay $100K per visa, to the USA, then that’s their business decision. Imagine if our own higher education system could pump out enough qualified personnel! What is it about people born in Mumbai that makes them smarter than people born in Los Angeles?
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As for lying, they aren’t lying to me (directly.) If they are lying about resources (like labor), are they doing anything different from competitors in this capitalistic world?
I’m not ready to fight against capitalism. I want capitalism to find me the best deal on the right ceiling fan in the quickest amount of time – at the time I want to find it.
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To bring a person here on an H1-B visa
(or hire a grad student already here as a foreign student)
The law requires one to document that they have fruitlessly searched for Americans to hire at the market price, and there are none.
When Amazon lays off 14,000 people on it way to laying off 35,000
It is LYING when it turns around and hires H1-b’s at three times the rate of its nearest competitor.
Amazon:
“We lie, cheat, steal, and break the law . . . now please give us your credit card number because we promise to keep the lying, cheating, and law-breaking confined to the other part of our business.”
Capitalism is about free markets.
That does not mean treating a bunch of lyng cheating swindling las breakers like they are honest.
Nothing about supporting capitalism requires us to pretend we don’t see it when a person or company breaks the law.
Amazon should be prosecuted.
Of course, the 15K (or 35K) they are laying off likely are in automatable jobs, while the imports are high-skilled to help them grow their Ai. (Which, in turn, likely automates tasks deeper into their process chain.) They’re not paying $100K for an H1B visa to get drivers and warehouse pickers.
It’s not up to you or me to determine whether or not they are lying about available talent in the USA for their needs. (I agree that it’s easy to connect dots and draw conclusions about it.) The business world went nuts with the Trump administration’s first step at addressing H1B by instituting the 100K fee. But “more government” is where that decision rests.
As for our respective personal consumer choices, well, that’s our personal decisions.
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Breaking news: Amazon wants to hire the best people at the lowest possible cost. This obviously means they hate America. 
Defruading raink and file workers
breaking the law
there is no reason to depict that as “capitalism.”
You know better.
Have you run out of arguments and become reduced to saying thing you don’t believe?
You’re making a lot of assumptions. If they’re breaking federal law, what is the Trump administration doing to enforce it?
What Amazon is doing is pure capitalism:
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Private ownership
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Profit for shareholders is its core driver. Every other action it takes or engages in is to drive profits for shareholders.
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Anti-Union: Amazon engages in aggressive anti-union tactics and has some of the most sophisticated and draconian worker surveillance and productivity quotas.
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Ultra competitve market behavior: predatory pricing has pushed thousands if not millions of smaller business (and large business) out of existence.
Now whether or not this ethical etc is a different argument but Amazon is a perfect example of a capitalist business.
Now as much as I detest some of their business practices I am a pragmatist and do use their services. My eldest is employed by Amazon and so far has had a good start to his career post college with them but he also tells me a lot of horror stories about working for them and how their productivity quotas are insanely high.
IF
An employer is found to have lied regarding an H1-b visa petition,
(falsely claiming they pay the same amount, falsely claiming they could not find an American worker, etc.
Then
Current law (title 20, Chapter 5 § 655.810) allows:
- DOL to hit the company with a fine up to $67,367 per violation,
- plus compensation and other fees
and - DOL to “debar” the company from using the program for 3 years
and also
may refer the employee(s) who perpetrated the fraud for criminal charges
with penalties up to
- $10,000 and
- 5 years in prison per false filing.
Nothing about free market capitalism says “we should pass laws and not enforce them.” In fact, one of the few legitimate purposes of government is to provide a level playing field, and if Amazon does interstate business, then it is the purview of the federal government to do so.
Why are you sitti here complaining to us?
Does anyone here have the ability to determine whether Amazon is lying about their need for so many H1Bs?
Or breaking the law to keep competitors down?
As others have said, you have made an awful lot of assumptions here.
They may even be valid assumptions.
But they are assumptions.
So did you ask that sort of question about evey allegation of racism every allegation of pollution, of price gouging etc.? Or are you suddenly using a double standard now?
What I am sensing is that a giant corporation could shoot someone in the middle of Ffith Avenue and the TDS crowd won’t condemn it
if condemning risks making Trump look good.
What the hell are you on about?
How did this become a thread about Trump?
I thought we were talking about Amazon.
And yes, I, personally, look for evidence to support any allegation against someone or some corporation.
In any event, again…what are you on about?
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I am seeing people who . . as a group normally bash corporations coming to the defense of Amazon over this.
I half-expected the lib response to this thread woudl be
“See I told ya so.”
and
“Come to the dark side. We have cookies.”
Instead, in a broad sense it read like libs coming tp the defense of a corporation because . . . well it is about a trumpy immigrationy thing.
(Oh that and a lot of pent up anger.)
I need to make a better effort to decrease reliance on Amazon but those hooks are in tight. Whole Foods discount with prime, I’ve been shopping at other grocery stores more. Prime music I could buy single tracks of what I like but the base service is very good. Prime video has some football games and the occasional series. Grub hub discount I don’t use. It’s the shipping. Subscribe and save, ordering cough medicine that will show up the next day occasionally.
They are a gross company who treats their workers horribly until they can replace as many as possible. But that does sound like the accepted definition of capitalism.
I’m not defending Amazon.
I’ve simply stated that you made a boatload of assumptions in your post and haven’t backed them up with any evidence.
And absent that evidence, what is there to discuss?
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