Are The Democrats Trying to Cheat to Win the 2020 Election Through mail-in voting system?

thinkingman · August 17, 2020, 12:24am

it is possible if there is no unnecessary mail in voting

PurpnGold · August 17, 2020, 12:35am

So you are ok with in-person fraud but not mail-in fraud?

thinkingman · August 17, 2020, 12:45am

no

what else do you imagine out of thin air?

PurpnGold · August 17, 2020, 12:55am

You seem to be having trouble…

You literally said you are not ok with mail-in fraud, so we shouldn’t have it.

So let me ask you plainly, are you ok with in-person fraud? If not, then we shouldn’t have it either, right?

LucyLou · August 17, 2020, 5:44am

LucyLou:

Hawk92:

The Democrats Trying to Cheat to Win the 2020 Election Through mail-in voting system?

Its a bit ironic to accuse the GOP and Trump admin to prevent the election to happen when the democrats and far liberals left had being pushing mail-in voting system which is alot easier to cheat for your Candidate.

I noticed how the democrats had being very very desperate as if its their life’s on the line to push this mail in voting system. Not alot of countries are using this kind of system.

Now here’s question democrat supporters.

If you can go into wall marts and wait in lines even though knowing that going to wall mart might not be safe because you can problary catch the covid why cant you go in person and vote?

Voting in person only takes a few minutes or seconds to decide and then its done your vote would be counted.

Why even in Euporean Countries they would be using vote in person. So i dont see how in America this should change and please dont give me the covid excuse.

You are still going to wall marts are you? and with face masks and physical distancing right?

First off, no I am not going to Walmarts.

I’m going to smaller grocery stores.

I’m in and out in 15 minutes at the most.

I’m not ever stuck standing next to people for any length of time at all.

If an aisle is too crowded, I go a different direction.

I go when stores are not busy.

I use self checkout.

I am in and out without ever interacting with anyone.

This is how I have done business since Trump Virus pandemic.

No crowds. No big stores. Online shopping.

I’m not changing for election day. Getting mail in ballot, and making sure my whole family does the same.

This is how to do it folks.

Vote and stay safe everyone!!

zantax · August 17, 2020, 6:03am

LucyLou:

thinkingman:

LucyLou:

Hawk92:

The Democrats Trying to Cheat to Win the 2020 Election Through mail-in voting system?

Its a bit ironic to accuse the GOP and Trump admin to prevent the election to happen when the democrats and far liberals left had being pushing mail-in voting system which is alot easier to cheat for your Candidate.

I noticed how the democrats had being very very desperate as if its their life’s on the line to push this mail in voting system. Not alot of countries are using this kind of system.

Now here’s question democrat supporters.

If you can go into wall marts and wait in lines even though knowing that going to wall mart might not be safe because you can problary catch the covid why cant you go in person and vote?

Voting in person only takes a few minutes or seconds to decide and then its done your vote would be counted.

Why even in Euporean Countries they would be using vote in person. So i dont see how in America this should change and please dont give me the covid excuse.

You are still going to wall marts are you? and with face masks and physical distancing right?

First off, no I am not going to Walmarts.

I’m going to smaller grocery stores.

I’m in and out in 15 minutes at the most.

I’m not ever stuck standing next to people for any length of time at all.

If an aisle is too crowded, I go a different direction.

I go when stores are not busy.

I use self checkout.

I am in and out without ever interacting with anyone.

This is how I have done business since Trump Virus pandemic.

No crowds. No big stores. Online shopping.

I’m not changing for election day. Getting mail in ballot, and making sure my whole family does the same.

this cant be done at polls?

i thought you (and hubby) were “vulnerable” ( you indicated in another thread)

here you are out in stores, lines, public

I’m not hubby is. I grocery shop in smaller stores. I’m never in lines. Self checkouts. Avoiding crowded aisles. Zero interaction with others. In and out in 15 minutes or less.

All the rest of our shopping is now online, delivered.

We will be doing the equivalent form of voting. Ordering our ballots to be delivered. Mailing them back. No interactions with others.

Vote and stay safe everyone!

I don’t think anyone has a problem with absentee ballots for the high risk people, at least I hope not. The argument would be more with just mailing ballots that weren’t requested, so let’s try and keep on track with the real contention, make sense?

GrandWazoo · August 17, 2020, 6:12am

How many threads are we going to have for this mail in voting deal?

komobu · August 17, 2020, 10:29am

I too spent time in the military…26 years. I often wonder if my ballot ever made it anywhere. It seems like every loser in the military they didnt know what to do with they stuck in the mailroom.

As for no difference between absentee voting and mail in, there is a big difference. In Absentee, you request a ballot and you are waiting for it to arrive at the place you requested it from. With mail in voting, the city is mailing ballots out for every person to whatever address they have on file. Many people only vote in the presidential elections. So the addresses that the municipalities have on file are from 4 years ago. People move around a lot! If one lives in an apartment, he might be getting voting ballots for someone that lived in that apartment in 2012! As a result, there is a huge chance that where ever that ballot lands, it will be sent off by whoever gets it. I wouldnt even be surprised if mail delivers are offered money to direct many ballots to third parties. The mail deliverers will know what tha ballots look like.

People should vote in person or not vote. Perhaps make an exception for handicapped and military.

komobu · August 17, 2020, 10:37am

rockfile:

No Democrats are not trying to cheat through mail in voting.

Democrats and Republicans both know that the more people who vote, the more likely the Democrat candidate will win.

So Republicans are trying to create fear about mail-in voting and Democrats are trying to push the fairness of mail-in voting.

In reality, it is incredibly difficult to commit fraud with mail-in voting. Ballots have more than one identifying characteristic, including address check, social security number check, drivers license check, birthday check and signature check among others.

Two ballots with the same social security number would be thrown out.

Two ballots with the same name and birthday and address would be thrown out.

Ballots also often have bar codes and other unique markers to avoid duplication or fraud and to be able to track back to ensure validity.

Sure, incidences of fraud may slip through the cracks, like it does under any voting format, but it is virtually impossible to effect the sort of fraud at scale that would change the outcome of an election, without it being detected.

I dont want that to happen either! If one ballot comes in for Trump and one for Biden , do both get thrown out? you just disenfranchised my vote! They wont know which one I voted for. What if my wife or kid grabs my vote out of the mailbox, fills it out and mails it in? Do you think they are going to check every vote and every signature? How long would that take?

Publius · August 17, 2020, 1:58pm

There are these things called computers that can do stuff like that really fast. You should look into that.

WorldWatcher · August 17, 2020, 2:28pm

There are security protocals in the ballot creation process before it is mailed out including special papers making duplication near impossible. Ballots are also bar coded to the individual.

There would not be two valid ballots received for the same individual.

If the Trump ballot is valid and the Biden ballot invalid - then the Trump vote is counted. Conversely if the Biden ballot is valid and the Trump ballot invalid - then the Biden vote is counted.

At which point a voter fraud investigation can commence and the individual prosecuted for a felony.

Yes they will

#1 I’d recommend divorcing your wife or disowning your kids if they would do that. Do you really think your wife and kids are going to be willing to go to prison?

#2 Yes, absolutely each signature is checked against your voter registration (or DMV depending on state) and in fact is checked by Election Judges working together and both have to validate the signature. Process doesn’t take that long as the signature is pulled up on a compute screen.

Could take a few days, so what? It won’t take months. Election day is November 3rd, the vote has to be counted by December 14th when electors of the EC are required to meet in the State capital. Those votes are then sent to Washington where the EC votes are counted on January 6th.

With early voting and early mail in, the validation of returned envelope will occur BEFORE election day, validation need not start on November 3rd. All the prep work can be done ahead of time for early receipts. Depending on State law, the actually counting of early received ballots may not start until a certain date (either election day or the beginning of the early voting window), but at that point they are simply run through a tabulating machine reader.

Hope this helps.

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zantax · August 17, 2020, 2:31pm

Link to automated signature comparison program they are using? Because I am pretty sure it’s being done by hand.

zantax · August 17, 2020, 2:32pm

WorldWatcher:

komobu:

I dont want that to happen either! If one ballot comes in for Trump and one for Biden , do both get thrown out? you just disenfranchised my vote!

There are security protocals in the ballot creation process before it is mailed out including special papers making duplication near impossible. Ballots are also bar coded to the individual.

There would not be two valid ballots received for the same individual.

If the Trump ballot is valid and the Biden ballot invalid - then the Trump vote is counted. Conversely if the Biden ballot is valid and the Trump ballot invalid - then the Biden vote is counted.

At which point a voter fraud investigation can commence and the individual prosecuted for a felony.

komobu:

They wont know which one I voted for.

Yes they will

komobu:

What if my wife or kid grabs my vote out of the mailbox, fills it out and mails it in? Do you think they are going to check every vote and every signature? How long would that take?

#1 I’d recommend divorcing your wife or disowning your kids if they would do that. Do you really think your wife and kids are going to be willing to go to prison?

#2 Yes, absolutely each signature is checked against your voter registration (or DMV depending on state) and in fact is checked by Election Judges working together and both have to validate the signature. Process doesn’t take that long as the signature is pulled up on a compute screen.

komobu:

How long would that take?

Could take a few days, so what? It won’t take months. Election day is November 3rd, the vote has to be counted by December 14th when electors of the EC are required to meet in the State capital. Those votes are then sent to Washington where the EC votes are counted on January 6th.

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Umm, no, the EC is not the deadline, states have various self imposed statutory deadlines.

PurpnGold · August 17, 2020, 2:33pm

Are conservatives banned from using mail-in voting?

highroller · August 17, 2020, 2:33pm

The problem is this has been a partisan issue now. So you will see one party voting by mail and the other not. It’s going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy if Joe Biden wins.

People will say he cheated through the mail, but in reality, it will just be that people who were going to vote for him were voting through the mail.

Fraud in elections is rare.

WorldWatcher · August 17, 2020, 2:35pm

zantax:

WorldWatcher:

komobu:

I dont want that to happen either! If one ballot comes in for Trump and one for Biden , do both get thrown out? you just disenfranchised my vote!

There are security protocals in the ballot creation process before it is mailed out including special papers making duplication near impossible. Ballots are also bar coded to the individual.

There would not be two valid ballots received for the same individual.

If the Trump ballot is valid and the Biden ballot invalid - then the Trump vote is counted. Conversely if the Biden ballot is valid and the Trump ballot invalid - then the Biden vote is counted.

At which point a voter fraud investigation can commence and the individual prosecuted for a felony.

komobu:

They wont know which one I voted for.

Yes they will

komobu:

What if my wife or kid grabs my vote out of the mailbox, fills it out and mails it in? Do you think they are going to check every vote and every signature? How long would that take?

#1 I’d recommend divorcing your wife or disowning your kids if they would do that. Do you really think your wife and kids are going to be willing to go to prison?

#2 Yes, absolutely each signature is checked against your voter registration (or DMV depending on state) and in fact is checked by Election Judges working together and both have to validate the signature. Process doesn’t take that long as the signature is pulled up on a compute screen.

komobu:

How long would that take?

Could take a few days, so what? It won’t take months. Election day is November 3rd, the vote has to be counted by December 14th when electors of the EC are required to meet in the State capital. Those votes are then sent to Washington where the EC votes are counted on January 6th.

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Umm, no, the EC is not the deadline, states have various self imposed statutory deadlines.

Constitutionally speaking December 14th is the date for the elector selection.

States are free to establish earlier deadlines and the adjust those deadlines as needed in order to be done by December 14th. Never said, or attempted to imply, anything different.

Care to post some links to statutory deadlines for review?
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zantax · August 17, 2020, 2:41pm

Not interested in linking states statutory deadlines, everyone here knows how to use google don’t they?

WorldWatcher · August 17, 2020, 2:43pm

That’s nice.
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zantax · August 17, 2020, 2:45pm

I mean, are you disputing that states have other deadlines? If so, it might be worth my time, otherwise, why bother?

WorldWatcher · August 17, 2020, 2:53pm

Nope, I’m saying those deadlines are under control of the State and they can extend them for counting purposes (not ballot casting) as needed. That the true deadline is December 14th.

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