This discussion started in a different thread. Lasted a for a few posts. I started this thread and now have 360+ responses. I guess it really depends on what you are looking for. 
You are simply regurgitating rhetoric. Kind of difficult to respond unless I want to regurgitate rhetoric as well. Then it would be nothing but a well rehearsed play, where we each faithfully recite our lines.
What is the lw rhetoric in this? Come on man show me𤣠I think you are using words you donât understand
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I was referring to responses like when you kept saying that an increase in wages would causes Walmart to increase costs which is con rhetoric that would probably be true in a free market capitalist system, which we are about as far from as possible.
When I pointed out
The reason it does not apply at all in this case is because walmart(or any other parasitic companies) is able to achieve highly competitive pricing and massive profits by using taxpayer resources to subsidize their workforce.
Letâs say that Walmart raises pricing 10% across the board to keep their profits unaffected. So what? Why would removing Walmart unfair completive advantage cause Costco or Walmarts other non parasitic competitors not to raise prices as well? Itâs completely illogical. Why would anyone continue shopping at Walmart when prices jump 10% while their competitors remain stable. Since there is no rw rhetoric you can throw out you havenât responded except to act like I hate Walmart or some nonsense"
Seriously just admit I won this. There is no possible way you can make a coherent response to this with out resorting to hominem nonsense.
Unless they plan on advancing into management.
My cousin started as a flipper and 9 years later heâs a regional manager. Brings in close to 80 grand a year. It took a long time for spots to open up though and he was fortunate that he didnât have any kids until he was a district manager.
Seems weird to me that an unskilled laborer can just work themselves into a management position. Also seems weird that skills would be required to manage unskilled workers. I mean if anybody off the street can just come in and do the work, whatâs to be managed exactly? Also weird would be the high turnover for such âeasyâ jobs. Maybe thereâs a bit more to it than just a blanket âunskilled workersâ statement would lead us to believe?
Absolutely. In every job their is advancement opportunity for those willing to apply themselves. Good for your cousin. 
Why?? Everyone starts out in life as unskilled. Why would it be so hard to conceive of someone taking the proper training courses and applying themselves??
Now I think you are just trying to be funny. Is that what you think about all managers and executives??? 
Much of that turnover comes from those who are using the jobs as a first step. Thatâs the way it should be.
There are no winners and losers when having meaningful discussion. That you donât understand such a simple concept only serves to make my point.
Sure. But how does someone who stays in an unskilled job acquire skills in order to move to a skilled position? Are skills magic or something? Or are they acquired even by âunskilledâ workers in the course of their careers?
And like I said, if any slob can walk in off the street and do the job, whatâs being managed? Do people who go around mowing lawns or cleaning houses need to be managed too? I mean literally anyone can do those things right? Or do they need to do it a certain way to maintain a successful business and earn a living doing it? Things that make you go hmmmâŚ
How did you do it?
Managing schedules. Making sure things are running smoothly. Making job assignments. Making sure those assignments are carried out. Resolution conflict. Disciplinary action when required. Ordering. Interviewing job applicants. Hiring. etcâŚ
Have you seriously never managed anyone before?
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HmmmmmmmmâŚ
Youâve lost me with this one.
Of course I did. It doesnât fit the narrative youâre pushing. Youâve yet to explain why people still need to be trained to do âunskilledâ labor as well.
Why interview if anyone can walk in off the street and do it?
What is being determined at the interview? If theyâre going to be a good fit for the job? Again, if anyone can do the job, who wouldnât be a good fit for the job?
Once again, youâre all over the place. Surprise.
Sure it does. You started out as unskilled and worked to acquire skills allowing you to make a decent living. That is exactly the narrative Iâve been pushing.
You are the one using the term unskilled. Iâve been using the term low skilled.
Someone who flips hamburgers at McDonalds will need some minimum amount of training. Someone who decides they want to be a lead supervisor or manager would seek out additional training.
In regards to someone who flips burgers at McDonalds, most anyone can do it with minimum training. As you point out, turnover is high for a variety of reasons. Given the ample availability of people to fill those positions, McDonalds makes a decision what those positions are worth to them.
Sure. I also wasnât qualified for the job I have now according to the people who hired me. Shows what they know I guess.
Hey, youâre finally admitting that even âunskilledâ work requires some skill? Progress.
There are winners and losers in everything.
When it so impossible to refute, contest or in this case even address my counter points (ie the total destruction of your rhetoric) that the only available option is ad hom nonsense, then that is an obvious big L
Not complicated
Way back when while in the Air Force, we were required to take aptitude tests to help decide a career we might best be suited for. Within the last year I retired as a software engineer after almost 50 years. Ironically that was one of the areas where I scored lowest on my aptitude test, yet I was always seen as one of the best and brightest by my peers and management during my long career. Go figure.
As of yet I can only assume you havenât bothered to catchup on the discussion. If you had you would clearly see that I consciously avoided the word âunskilledâ. Low skilled was the term I used and on multiple occasions I explained what I meant by low skilled.
So youâve never managed and have never hired someone. If you had you wouldnât be asking that question. Iâve done both. Even with a skilled position, their qualifications get them an interview. In that interview I would be looking at first impressions. Will they work well with others, is there something that would raise a red flag in that interview? What is their background? etcâŚ
Would be looking for similar kinds of things with an unskilled or low skilled worker.
Actually Iâve remained quite consistent. You on the other hand seem to lack even a basic understanding of how the real world operates.
Yep!
But in this forum we are each expressing our opinion. Some might believe their opinion trumps someone elseâs and that makes them the winner. So be it. Most donât feel that way. They just want to have a meaningful discussion about political issues or events that have transpired.
Based on my conversation with you, there is little doubt where you come down on that one.
