America Party-Will It Work?

[Guvnah]

@Nemesis

Interesting how Trump supporters are free and easy with their critical observations of Musk now but a few months ago he could do no wrong.

Maybe you ignored the posts suggesting that he’s ending his DOGE efforts too soon.

[Nemesis]

Trump or Musk? Musk could only operate for a set number of days.

[Guvnah]

@Nemesis

Trump or Musk? Musk could only operate for a set number of days.

DOGE needs to be continued.

Expanded, even. I really don’t care who does it.

[Nemesis]

I agree it needs to be continued but with a much more structured approach and no grand claims that do not survive scrutiny.

Part of the structure needs to be oversight but oversight that works in an agile way. No months and months of delay while identified potential savings are pontificated over.

However it does seem that DOGE was a flavor of the month initiative.

There has been success, and I welcome any savings but far far below the $1-2 trillion that Musk and Trump boasted.

[Ben_Natuf]

DOGE works as an outside agency or independent commision. It would not work as a fixture in the executive as it would just become another arm of the OMB

[Guilds]

@gooddad409

I stand by my wasteful spending comment!

Tell that to the 1000’s of electricians and other skilled tradesmen and their suppliers that are now not working with the cancellation of many of those projects.

Anyone living in rural areas can thank the government (Fed /State) for providing electricity decades ago. Biden was doing the same with broadband internet. Those programs were probably killed as well by Trump. Winning!

[Gaius]

Since Donald Trump was elected

• Foreign-born workers have given up net 543,000 jobs.
• Native born workers have gained net 2 million jobs.
• On net — EVERY SINGLE JOB CREATED (over 1.5 million) has gone to a native born American!

If you want to tell something to the 1000’s of electricians and other skilled tradesmen … your gonna have to swing by ther job site to do it cause, THAT is where you’ll find them.

[Guilds]

@Gaius

• Foreign-born workers have given up net 543,000 jobs.
• Native born workers have gained net 2 million jobs

The most recent data available indicates that foreign-born workers held 17.9% of jobs in 2023, while making up 16.8% of the working-age population, according to USAFacts. This doesn’t mean they “gave up” 543,000 jobs.

When Trump killed a lot the green jobs, that put a lot electricians out of work.

[conan]

@Guilds

Anyone living in rural areas can thank the government (Fed /State) for providing electricity decades ago. Biden was doing the same with broadband internet. Those programs were probably killed as well by Trump. Winning!

Someone has no idea about rural America.

Only ones that losing jobs are motel workers/owners…because they’re won’t be housing those workers.

[conan]

@Guilds

When Trump killed a lot the green jobs, that put a lot electricians out of work.

My God man…will you just stop. Right now for every 7,000 electrician that learning the trade, 10,000 are retiring. As of now, 75 thousand electricians are needed.

People shouldn’t be talking about things that they have no clue…specially when all they do is parroting wrong left-wing talking points.

Oh…and with all these data centers popping up for AI…we’re going to need lot more. Not just data centers but entire lines to be to updated.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@Ben_Natuf

The only party that ever had the makings to be a third party was the libertarian party; however, both the GOP and Dems coopted enough of their most populous positions to blunt them, and what they have left that has not been coopted is the more fringe lunatic stuff. Unfortunately, both parties seem to be coopting that too with the dems moving further to the fringe lunatic left and the GOP moving further to the fringe lunatic right.

I know people will mention the reform party, but Ross Perot being disaffected of Bush was no more the beginnings of a 3rd party movement than Elon Musk being disaffected with Trump will be.

Very good post. People keep mentioning Ross Perot here but I don’t recall him trying to develop a third party?

[Gaius]

@Guilds

@Gaius

• Foreign-born workers have given up net 543,000 jobs.
• Native born workers have gained net 2 million jobs

The most recent data available indicates that foreign-born workers held 17.9% of jobs in 2023, while making up 16.8% of the working-age population, according to USAFacts. This doesn’t mean they “gave up” 543,000 jobs.

When Trump killed a lot the green jobs, that put a lot electricians out of work.

Both parts of my statment are correct, and com dierctly from BLS.gov
You’ll have to click the link to see it:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvjAQYPWQAEZ7aH?format=png&name=900x900

[Gaius]

@Eagle-Keeper

@Ben_Natuf

The only party that ever had the makings to be a third party was the libertarian party; however, both the GOP and Dems coopted enough of their most populous positions to blunt them, and what they have left that has not been coopted is the more fringe lunatic stuff. Unfortunately, both parties seem to be coopting that too with the dems moving further to the fringe lunatic left and the GOP moving further to the fringe lunatic right.

I know people will mention the reform party, but Ross Perot being disaffected of Bush was no more the beginnings of a 3rd party movement than Elon Musk being disaffected with Trump will be.

Very good post. People keep mentioning Ross Perot here but I don’t recall him trying to develop a third party?

It was called the “Reform Party” although it made no pretense of being an actual poltical party, it was mostly just a better way of getting his name on the ballot.

Nonetheless it had an official leadership structure, ran a handful of candidates both when Perot ran, and in other years.

The Reform party’s second most famous dude was Jesse Ventura.

—> Still, it made no pretense of being a real forever political party.

[Samm]

@Guilds

@Gaius

• Foreign-born workers have given up net 543,000 jobs.
• Native born workers have gained net 2 million jobs

The most recent data available indicates that foreign-born workers held 17.9% of jobs in 2023, while making up 16.8% of the working-age population, according to USAFacts. This doesn’t mean they “gave up” 543,000 jobs.

When Trump killed a lot the green jobs, that put a lot electricians out of work.

Not exactly. The industry is severely short of qualified electricians.

[Samm]

@Eagle-Keeper

@Ben_Natuf

The only party that ever had the makings to be a third party was the libertarian party; however, both the GOP and Dems coopted enough of their most populous positions to blunt them, and what they have left that has not been coopted is the more fringe lunatic stuff. Unfortunately, both parties seem to be coopting that too with the dems moving further to the fringe lunatic left and the GOP moving further to the fringe lunatic right.

I know people will mention the reform party, but Ross Perot being disaffected of Bush was no more the beginnings of a 3rd party movement than Elon Musk being disaffected with Trump will be.

Very good post. People keep mentioning Ross Perot here but I don’t recall him trying to develop a third party?

What Party ticket do you think he ran on?

[Ben_Natuf]

forgetting Buchannon? Its still a party now

[Ben_Natuf]

electrician… a job no American wants

[Samm]

Shocking.

[SpadeMarlowe]

@Nemesis

Interesting how Trump supporters are free and easy with their critical observations of Musk now but a few months ago he could do no wrong.

Just reinforces my belief that the majority of the Maga crowd will follow Trump blindly.

You’re jumping the gun here, my friend, and you’re wrong.
I applouded Musk for his Science and work on DOGE contributions, which I still do.
Once he threw a fit over Trumps decision on budget, which he had NO bussiness doing, and once he ’ retaliated ’ by spredding nasty rumors, I mean REALY nasty stuff…I then voiced my dislike of that.
There is a difference in not liking a person and not liking his behaviour.
One is never married to a certain/specific reaction to someone’s behaviour.
We approve a good deed and dissapprove a bad one when it happens.
It does NOT mean that we did away with still praising the GOOD deeds Musk did in the past.

Nothing wrong with that.

[SpadeMarlowe]

@peek-a-boo

@Nemesis

Interesting how Trump supporters are free and easy with their critical observations of Musk now but a few months ago he could do no wrong.

Just reinforces my belief that the majority of the Maga crowd will follow Trump blindly.

While I didn’t speak up at the time, I gave Musk about as much of a chance of sticking around as Steve Bannon. In my opinion, they were both novelties with short life spans.

I am with you on that one.
My feeling was that 2 strong and 2 mucho personalities who, rightfuly so, have a lot to be proud off, would have hard time staying together for a long time.
Both of them would have an urge to top the other.
In this case Musk threw a fit FIRST.
And Trumps acted correctly by NOT letting him lead him by the nose and NOT also closing that door completely and unnecessarely like Musk stupidly did.