America Party-Will It Work?

In the thread about this bridge, Gaius asked:

You’re right, Samm. Materials will have to be imported. That’s just one more data point in this nation’s vulnerability. We saw it with medical supplies during COVID. Medicines. Equipment. We are vulnerable when it comes to electronics, rare Earth elements, and all sorts of other items, both mundane and super technical.

At one point Trump was getting in the way of the US Steel deal. At least that finally got worked out. We need to preserve the manufacturing we still have here, and start reeling back so much of what we’ve lost to overseas companies.

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And exactly how do you expect to accomplish that?

Me?

I have no way of making that happen.

I just answered your question. (You actually answered your question.)

You may have answeredyour own question.

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You may as well said “implement term limits in Congress.” If it cannot happen, it’s not a solution.

So how is saying " a bunch of crap we should be getting rid of" a solution if the only thing anybody can mention is never going to happen?

I think Musk is a genius and should stick with the Science and the rockets.
He is a terible Politician and he is not a ‘People Person’.
Squandering his relationship with Trump proved that.

He wont attract enough useful idiots to make a difference.
He has no Political skills, NO charmisma and good looks, he is a terrible speaker and money only is not enough.
(BTW…Trump also is a terrible speaker but that is his ONLY vice. He has a track record and the discipline and the strenght to, when defeated, he brushes him self off and tries again. Musk doesn’t).

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The names i have heard supporting Musk in this are dems like Mark Cuban and disgruntled gop like Mike Pence.

People who would never vote for MAGA candidates anyway so i don’t know if his party would even have an effect on the gop.

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How long do you think it should take to design a brand new bridge that has to integrate with an existing road network in a dense urban area?

I’m not sure.
I would start with
How fast did the US, Japan and Korea do it in the days when

  • plans had to be srawn by hand
  • there were no desktop computers, no internet, no AI
    and then I would reduce that time by 10-50%.

As fro dense urban areas well they are not going to build design and build no cloverleafs and on ramps etc. so, quicker, easier, cheaper, fewer environmental imapct studies.

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What do you figure?

Stil good with this?

I think a year is reasonable.

I’m sure you COULD do it faster, but this is a big ass bridge, that is going to (hopefully) be standing for a century - has to be done right.

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And I stand by that estimate had the decision been to simply replace the spans that fell into the water. But that is not what happened. They decided to replace the entire structure with an entirely new one starting from square one as though no bridge had been there before.

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Newt Gingrichs come rare and far apart.
Took us 2 decades to come up with Trump.

American Public had to be slapped/spanked real hard to wake up from their stupor and pick again a gem like Donald instead of a vegetable with a head attached like Biden and Kamala.
So…BTW…if anyone should ask who is responsible for Trillions in Debt it is American Public and their chronic apathy.

America Party won’t work.

While Elon Musk is a troll, controls his own platform and has admirers, the real world is not the internet. Elon’s awkward in public. He’s no leader. He can’t even run as president anyway (born outside of the US)

Who’s the audience? Democrats hate him. He crossed Trump, so a large chunk of Republicans hate him too. So he’s fighting for 2-3% of the potential vote? That won’t get you anywhere in American politics. So he wants to be a spoiler party to help Democrats win?

And what is his platform? Debt? Ok, that’s a fair point to raise, but what is needed to tackle the debt is unpopular.and really tough choices hence why Washington has been dragging its feet for decades. More subsidies and government contracts for his companies? Good luck running on that.

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The only party that ever had the makings to be a third party was the libertarian party; however, both the GOP and Dems coopted enough of their most populous positions to blunt them, and what they have left that has not been coopted is the more fringe lunatic stuff. Unfortunately, both parties seem to be coopting that too with the dems moving further to the fringe lunatic left and the GOP moving further to the fringe lunatic right.

I know people will mention the reform party, but Ross Perot being disaffected of Bush was no more the beginnings of a 3rd party movement than Elon Musk being disaffected with Trump will be.

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Interesting how Trump supporters are free and easy with their critical observations of Musk now but a few months ago he could do no wrong.

Just reinforces my belief that the majority of the Maga crowd will follow Trump blindly.

While I didn’t speak up at the time, I gave Musk about as much of a chance of sticking around as Steve Bannon. In my opinion, they were both novelties with short life spans.

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Federal law precluded him sticking around. I believe the maximum time he could head Doge is 130 days

I believe the 130 days was up on May 30. They were already getting on each other’s nerves by then. Bannon lasted a bit longer at 7 months. Both Bannon and Musk were high profile, and with Trump’s narcissism, I believe they were both living on borrowed time.