America is closed for businesses - thank you Democrats! 😠

[Medicswife2002]

Y’all may find this hard to believe but I don’t ever read his tweets unless someone’s put it in here. I get it, people use a crisis to bludgeon their enemies. That doesn’t help real people figure out next weeks bills. Other governors didn’t add two months. This went from two weeks, to two months, to as much as five months. I wish people would just step off partisan crap for a minute. It’ll be here when you get back.

Do you believe 2 added months for Oregon is appropriate?

[JayJay]

@Kevhead

@Medicswife2002

Do you feel two extra months is appropriate? I’m so far from caring who said what. People won’t make it. Many. Many won’t make it financially. I better qualify…

We havent even begun to feel the squeeze. All of these states/cities havent had tax revenues flowing. Theyll all be bankrupt next year or raise taxes like nashville going up 33 percent i believe. Looking at 300000 teacher layoffs. Its a mess but throwing people together will just extend the pain. I blame the federal govt actually more then the governors. Should have shut down the. Country for two to three weeks all at once and then see where we lie instead of the piecemeal. Look at italy,spain all the countries who did that. Theyre starting to open up slowly.

Italy has been shut down far longer than 2-3 weeks.

But see at the root of this issue is our federal system of government.

99% of the time it works great, but with something like a pandemic, it’s not well designed to function.

It is very difficult to have a coordinated national response the way our government is constructed.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

But see at the root of this issue is our federal system of government.

99% of the time it works great, but with something like a pandemic, it’s not well designed to function.

It is very difficult to have a coordinated national response the way our government is constructed.

Great post.

[Kevhead]

@JayJay

It is very difficult to have a coordinated national response the way our government is constructed

I think most were looking towards the govt for some guidance that never materialized.

[gooddad409]

@Medicswife2002

Y’all may find this hard to believe but I don’t ever read his tweets unless someone’s put it in here. I get it, people use a crisis to bludgeon their enemies. That doesn’t help real people figure out next weeks bills. Other governors didn’t add two months. This went from two weeks, to two months, to as much as five months. I wish people would just step off partisan crap for a minute. It’ll be here when you get back.

Do you believe 2 added months for Oregon is appropriate?

i find it highly inappropriate myself. The 2 extra months is going to do more harm than the virus itself.

[thinkingman]

@Medicswife2002

Do you feel two extra months is appropriate? I’m so far from caring who said what. People won’t make it. Many. Many won’t make it financially. I better qualify…

1 month wasnt appropriate, let alone 2 more

unless someone can show evidence that committing economic suicide helped

i mean, helped minimize the burden on hospitals. not help twilight joe (or whoever they replace him with) in nov

[thinkingman]

@Medicswife2002

I honestly believe now we won’t survive this economically and politics are threatening our country’s existence unlike ever before. Few small businesses and many people won’t financially survive this chaos. People are so ■■■■■■■ focused on blaming others they’ll do anything up to and including ordering citizens to stay home for months and months and months. What the actual ■■■■■

I congratulate those who want this chaos because they’ve won.

dont forget to congratulate bill maher too, who outright hoped for this

[hwyflier]

@Blackwolf

Huxley was more spot on than Orwell.

Oh just wait, they’re making a Brave New World film,soon internet message boards will be filled up with failed references to that like there are for 1984.

[JayJay]

@thinkingman

@Medicswife2002

I honestly believe now we won’t survive this economically and politics are threatening our country’s existence unlike ever before. Few small businesses and many people won’t financially survive this chaos. People are so ■■■■■■■ focused on blaming others they’ll do anything up to and including ordering citizens to stay home for months and months and months. What the actual ■■■■■

I congratulate those who want this chaos because they’ve won.

dont forget to congratulate bill maher too, who outright hoped for this

A liberal pundit hoped for it on his TV show…therefore this whole thing is a Giant Liberal Plot to Ruin The Nation.

Scintillating example of the Faulty Generalization Fallacy.

[JayJay]

@Kevhead

@JayJay

It is very difficult to have a coordinated national response the way our government is constructed

I think most were looking towards the govt for some guidance that never materialized.

Systems failure.

Sorry I am going to blame Cuomo and DeBlasio in early March for them telling New Yorkers that everything was all right more than I am going to blame “a lack of federal guidance”.

The same information that was available to the Feds…that our test and trace strategy had run aground from the beginning…that cases could explode from small numbers very fast and we were flying blind…was available to all of us by early March.

I’m not going to blame the Feds for the utter mismanagement of the NY subway system that we now have strong indications that it was a major disease spreading vector in the city.

The Feds had their failures…the states didn’t need to wait for the Feds to act.

[conan]

@JayJay

Already posted in another thread that the idea deaths go up in even a depressed economy might very well be a myth.

I don’t believe it’s a myth, the sociological damage has devastating long term impact on people of their health. It will effect people long after this virus fades. To say otherwise would be naive.

[JayJay]

@conan

@JayJay

Already posted in another thread that the idea deaths go up in even a depressed economy might very well be a myth.

I don’t believe it’s a myth, the sociological damage has devastating long term impact on people of their health. It will effect people long after this virus fades. To say otherwise would be naive.

There are studies that suggest this is in fact not true.

It sounds like it should be, but there’s little evidence for it actually happening.

Now…it is quite possible in this day and age, where the economy has grown more complex and globally interconnected than it was even in the days of the Depression that it might be different this time.

I’m quite ready to once again try and have a rational discussion on this matter.

But in a thread populated with people who descry this as a Giant Liberal Plot To Enslave America…such a rational discussion won’t even get off the ground.

[Paul_Thomson]

@NJBob

Fauci has the authority to shut down the US? Who knew.

Fauci was the conduit for the nation’s medical expertise at the beginning of a worldwide pandemic advising the president on what to expect medically and what should save the most lives medically. You seem to be arguing Trump had the authority to overrule Fauci and therefore it would have been a better strategy at that time to have gone with his own intuition and to have ignored that medical expertise in the early stages of the pandemic.

[JayJay]

@Paul_Thomson

@NJBob

Fauci has the authority to shut down the US? Who knew.

Fauci was the conduit for the nation’s medical expertise at the beginning of a worldwide pandemic advising the president on what to expect medically and what should save the most lives medically. You seem to be arguing Trump had the authority to overrule Fauci and therefore it would have been a better strategy at that time to have gone with his own intuition and to have ignored that medical expertise in the early stages of the pandemic.

President Trump did have that authority.

That’s the whole point of this fallacy that this is all a Giant Liberal Plot.

[conan]

I disagree. During the housing crisis I taken risk to earn a living. Most of my retirement saving that I was building up went bye bye during my peak earning period. That alone may have take 5 or more years off my life, not to mention my body. Instead of hiring young strong bodies I did it myself…thous ended up getting hurt myself.

We have “some” thinks Obama have dug us out of great recession. But those earning opportunities didn’t come back until around 2014…5 plus years or half decade later.

That’s like taken away 5 plus years of you peak earning years/period that one has during his only lifetime. And that’s just tip of long term effect it has on economy.

The devastation and cost is unmeasurable IMO.

[lessright]

There’s the ‘logic’ school of thought, and then there’s the ‘leaps of logic’ school.

[Paul_Thomson]

@JayJay

President Trump did have that authority.

@Paul_Thomson

Fauci was the conduit for the nation’s medical expertise at the beginning of a worldwide pandemic advising the president on what to expect medically and what should save the most lives medically. You seem to be arguing Trump had the authority to overrule Fauci and therefore it would have been a better strategy at that time to have gone with his own intuition and to have ignored that medical expertise in the early stages of the pandemic.

That’s the whole point of this fallacy that this is all a Giant Liberal Plot.

You seem to be arguing Trump had the authority to overrule Fauci and therefore it would have been a better strategy at that time to have gone with his own intuition and to have ignored that medical expertise in the early stages of the pandemic.

[wonderingrover]

@gooddad409

@wonderingrover

@Spartacus

R
The party of self responsibility

Well, to be fair, there are still elements within the Republican party that try to pass it of as conservative, when it is pretty apparent that they have now completely sold out conservatism, thrown it under the bus, ran over it, and then backed over it a couple of times just to make sure it was gone.

Amazing the opinions that come from the left concerning the party.

Amazing what some consider “the left.” And quite telling.

[JayJay]

@Paul_Thomson

@JayJay

President Trump did have that authority.

@Paul_Thomson

Fauci was the conduit for the nation’s medical expertise at the beginning of a worldwide pandemic advising the president on what to expect medically and what should save the most lives medically. You seem to be arguing Trump had the authority to overrule Fauci and therefore it would have been a better strategy at that time to have gone with his own intuition and to have ignored that medical expertise in the early stages of the pandemic.

That’s the whole point of this fallacy that this is all a Giant Liberal Plot.

You seem to be arguing Trump had the authority to overrule Fauci and therefore it would have been a better strategy at that time to have gone with his own intuition and to have ignored that medical expertise in the early stages of the pandemic.

I said nothing of the kind.

The only thing I said is the buck stopped with Donald Trump.

Again…making the idea that this is a Great Liberal Plot false on its face.

[wonderingrover]

@Blackwolf

@wonderingrover

Well, to be fair, there are still elements within the Republican party that try to pass it of as conservative, when it is pretty apparent that they have now completely sold out conservatism, thrown it under the bus, ran over it, and then backed over it a couple of times just to make sure it was gone.

Conservatism was broken up and sold off in a benign takeover by Trump. I say benign because when Donald scores 96% approval from Republicans it’s obvious they went willingly.

Pretty much. They’ve been going down this path for a while now. I actually tried to work to counter that from within for years. Once they nominated Trump, I knew they had reached the point of no return. They can have their pretend conservative party.