One
Whole
The term social contract implies more than one person snd not a masturbatory exercise
One
Whole
The term social contract implies more than one person snd not a masturbatory exercise
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
I use it as hyperbole and derogatory.
Why?
FreeAndClear:
Of course i see the difference
Then why do you demand the one?
Because its iterations come up constantly in conservative lore. “Why don’t these people just pull themselves up by their imagined bootstraps when i did”. It’s happening in this very thread… one man with his success (which i no way begrudge) believes that tens if millions of Americans are just like him.
He needs no proof. He just believes
Demand a government? I don’t trust you. (Collectively)
It’s not one man. Not by a long shot. In fact, it’s not even close.
Demand a government program for every problem that comes up.
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
Individuals are not society. That’s my point. They make up society.
You need to view society through a different prism than an individual
Why? What’s the difference?
One
Whole
The term social contract implies more than one person snd not a masturbatory exercise
Yeah, but what’s the difference. Why does “whole” matter?
FreeAndClear:
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
Individuals are not society. That’s my point. They make up society.
You need to view society through a different prism than an individual
Why? What’s the difference?
One
Whole
The term social contract implies more than one person snd not a masturbatory exercise
Yeah, but what’s the difference. Why does “whole” matter?
Because the whole exists. You can reject it. You can Walden. It still exists
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
Individuals are not society. That’s my point. They make up society.
You need to view society through a different prism than an individual
Why? What’s the difference?
One
Whole
The term social contract implies more than one person snd not a masturbatory exercise
Yeah, but what’s the difference. Why does “whole” matter?
Because the whole exists. You can reject it. You can Walden. It still exists
Is the inverse true? You don’t seem to have a problem treating an individual as a “whole”.
The individual also exists, despite rumors to the contrary.
FreeAndClear:
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
Individuals are not society. That’s my point. They make up society.
You need to view society through a different prism than an individual
Why? What’s the difference?
One
Whole
The term social contract implies more than one person snd not a masturbatory exercise
Yeah, but what’s the difference. Why does “whole” matter?
Because the whole exists. You can reject it. You can Walden. It still exists
Is the inverse true? You don’t seem to have a problem treating an individual as a “whole”.
Part of a whole. Yeah i get why Walden is appealing, it doesn’t work en masse.
Part of a whole. Yeah i get why Walden is appealing, it doesn’t work en masse.
I don’t what Walden is, are you referring to the pond?
Why doesn’t work?
Does treating the individual “en masse” work?
FreeAndClear:
Part of a whole. Yeah i get why Walden is appealing, it doesn’t work en masse.
I don’t what Walden is, are you referring to the pond?
Why doesn’t work?
Does treating the individual “en masse” work?
Yes the book. He didn’t make his tools.
It doesn’t. We try though. Real hard.
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
Part of a whole. Yeah i get why Walden is appealing, it doesn’t work en masse.
I don’t what Walden is, are you referring to the pond?
Why doesn’t work?
Does treating the individual “en masse” work?
Yes the book. He didn’t make his tools.
It doesn’t. We try though. Real hard.
Did the government give them to him?
Samm:
fallenturtle:
Samm:
fallenturtle:
Samm:
fallenturtle:
They aren’t being taught that anywhere.
So they come by it all on their own? That somehow its in their DNA? Wow! You could get a doctorate degree studying that one.
Its human. Ever met a teenager?
What’s human? Indoctrination of children?
Its not indoctrination… just victimhood in general. It’s a natural part of growing up and socializing. Some kids having it stronger than others and most people grow out of it eventually. It can also be influenced by your social groups, especially in later years of high school and in college.
Victimhood is taught to children by the adults in their lives who have influence over them. For example, I grew up in a very poor household, but I was not really aware of that until I was an adult because my parents never bemoaned their economic situation or blamed it on somebody else. And yes, I was aware that some of my friends had more than I did, but I chalked that up to their parents being more generous than mine, not that they necessarily had more money.
So the secret to raising children without a sense of victimhood is to never expose them to hardships you, the parent, are experiencing?
No … the key is for the parents to not bitch about it or blame others for their hardships. I was going to add ‘in front of the kids’, but decided to leave it off. If the parents are bitching and blaming to themselves, the kids will still pick up on it.
FreeAndClear:
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
Part of a whole. Yeah i get why Walden is appealing, it doesn’t work en masse.
I don’t what Walden is, are you referring to the pond?
Why doesn’t work?
Does treating the individual “en masse” work?
Yes the book. He didn’t make his tools.
It doesn’t. We try though. Real hard.
Did the government give them to him?
I am referencing it with regards to the social contract. The government is not necessarily part of it
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And the point that on an individual level it’s plausible because luck plays a role in boot strapping
Did you know that nobody uses that term anymore? Nobody has asked anyone to boot strap outside of the privacy of their bedroom for probably 20 years.
And It’s probably on the U of Michigan’s list of forbidden racist words. ![]()
(Most boots are darker than a brown paper bag and straps can be used as whips … and we all know those are racist.)
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
Part of a whole. Yeah i get why Walden is appealing, it doesn’t work en masse.
I don’t what Walden is, are you referring to the pond?
Why doesn’t work?
Does treating the individual “en masse” work?
Yes the book. He didn’t make his tools.
It doesn’t. We try though. Real hard.
Did the government give them to him?
I am referencing it with regards to the social contract. The government is not necessarily part of it
WHAT!?! How else are you going to obligate me?
FreeAndClear:
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
The fact is that projecting individual experience onto society at large is a mistake
Why?
…Environment, nature, nurture, etc
What are you talking about?
Those are things that can affect the development of an individual.
Sorry missed this post
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
The fact is that projecting individual experience onto society at large is a mistake
Why?
…Environment, nature, nurture, etc
What are you talking about?
Those are things that can affect the development of an individual.
Sorry missed this post
Yeah, and a society.
peek-a-boo:
FreeAndClear:
Boot strapping when applied to society as a whole is as idealistic of a position as world peace
And yet 10s of millions of Americans do exactly that. Go figure!
No they don’t. You hold unprovable positions.
If his position is unprovable, so is yours.
FreeAndClear:
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
Part of a whole. Yeah i get why Walden is appealing, it doesn’t work en masse.
I don’t what Walden is, are you referring to the pond?
Why doesn’t work?
Does treating the individual “en masse” work?
Yes the book. He didn’t make his tools.
It doesn’t. We try though. Real hard.
Did the government give them to him?
I am referencing it with regards to the social contract. The government is not necessarily part of it
WHAT!?! How else are you going to obligate me?
. I never said it was you know.
You scroll up. You’ll never see me make government a part of the social contract.
It is a construct of it though.
FreeAndClear:
peek-a-boo:
FreeAndClear:
Boot strapping when applied to society as a whole is as idealistic of a position as world peace
And yet 10s of millions of Americans do exactly that. Go figure!
No they don’t. You hold unprovable positions.
If his position is unprovable, so is yours.
Okie dokie.
FreeAndClear:
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
WuWei:
FreeAndClear:
The fact is that projecting individual experience onto society at large is a mistake
Why?
…Environment, nature, nurture, etc
What are you talking about?
Those are things that can affect the development of an individual.
Sorry missed this post
Yeah, and a society.
You mean village?
. I never said it was you know.
You scroll up. You’ll never see me make government a part of the social contract.
It is a construct of it though.
Now you’ve completely lost me. Are you under the impression that conservatives are somehow against voluntary charity?