Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: Medicare for all

And your statement only makes sense if you ignore that Ryan has a long track record and has proven he’s an idiot to those of us on the left.

I never even heard about him back when he was 28. You have any old links where people were berating him like they do Alexandria?

I know a lot of lazy and unproductive people who receive medicaid. I also know a lot of hard-working very productive people who receive medicaid. Medicaid is about income, not productivity.

Healthcare is expensive.

So we defend Obamacare and forget Medicare for all?

No. I nipped an insinuating argument in the bud. I’m all for MFA or some other version of universal healthcare.

Medicare denies more claims than private insurance. Why would they do that if its all about profit. Or do they factor in the fact the they aren’t going to get sued. So whats the benefit for the government to let people die or deny them treatment?
To the government you are just a number and like the insurance companies they could care less about you. All you have to do is look at what happened to SS. That money was supposed to be separate and only used for SS payments. But they just couldn’t stand having a large sum of money they couldn’t use to buy votes so they moved it over to the general fund. What do you think is going to happen to a large sum of money that is supposed to be used to pay healthcare costs. Well pretty soon it will get moved to the general fund to buy votes. Than what happens to your healthcare, well my guess is they will just raise the amount you have to pay in or they will ration care.

You didn’t prove that obama care saved money. I know that you forgot about the recession and the fact the healthcare costs usually go down during a recession. The year before the ACA was signed growth was 2.9. 2008 thru 2012 growth was 4.0 to 4.5.

You make some excellent points! Let us not forget that the cost of a college education began to skyrocket when our federal government began to finance it. Likewise, the cost of healthcare began to skyrocket when our federal government began paying the bills. In each case the monuments on K street in Washington, D.C., have proven to have more influence over our national treasury than the people.

JWK

The unavoidable truth is, the Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’, Andrew Gillum and Ayanna Pressley’s socialist plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by taxing millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.

Alright, let’s go 2012 and beyond. From 2012-2017, let’s say healthcare expenditures rose 6% annually (almost a full percentage point lower than the decade average from 2000-2009 which includes the recession) so that we have a conservative estimate. In 2017, we would have ended up with expenditures of $3.8 trillion rather than the almost $3.5 trillion. When you divide the difference by the number of households, guess how much savings you get?

This is going to blow people’s minds.

$2,572.

Holy ■■■■■ Obama ended up being right. The ACA has saved families on average over $2,500 per year using a conservative estimate.

Nope. Good point.

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Plenty of privileged people get in but you better have all your T’s crossed.

I agree. That was going to be covered in my second reply if Johnwk bothered to respond.

The limits on the number of medical school admissions and internship/residency/fellowship slots is not an artificially imposed restriction, but rather one that is the result of too few educators available to train them, even assuming more hospitals would be permitted to have accredited internship and residency programs. Even with those limits, there are many open slots; a shortage of applicants can, and is, remediated by bringing in foreign-trained medical school graduates, who may have to undergo additional coursework, but what’s harder to fill are the slots that result from dropouts in internships and residencies.

The only medical professionals who can supplement a physician shortage are nurse practitioners and licensed physician assistants who can perform certain functions,usually on the level of a general practitioner or general internist, and midwives and licensed nurse anesthetists can fill shortages in ob/gyn and anesthesia to some degree, but there is no substitute for surgery, most subspecialties. Yes, a doctor may earn more in the city, but it’s not just the income, it’s the long and expensive educational process that discourages many people from going into medicine, and the government control of medicine that’s increasingly driving people out of it in mid-career - this is not an issue of a sufficient number of doctors who just happen to concentrate in urban areas, this is a problem of fewer doctors overall that results from med school, and training dropouts, doctors retiring a lot earlier or changing careers prior to retirement age.

Respond to what?

JWK

I agree with Ms. Ocasio-Cortez.

Well. Goody for you. Reality has a way of changing people’s minds.

JWK

I never thought I’d live to see the day when so many living in the United States would take great joy in seeing and encouraging the borders of the United States to be invaded by the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled and criminal populations of other countries, while American Citizens suffer the devastating social and financial consequences of such an invasion.