A request- Please stop with the "you want people to die" posts

Politics
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Yep. This COVID thing is the only time I’ve seen the claim of others wanting people to die, which is different from the claim of not being as concerned about it, which is what was showcased in the quotes. Relative concern over matters of death is a common political debate (ex, terrorism, drug policy, etc)

That’s my defense of the quotes attributed to you and I - which should be rightly allowed to be defended for the false equivalency, and the nature of the accusation, namely that I or you have claimed that others want people to die.

Level of concern when people die != actively hoping people die. The former is the root of political differences on matters related to security. The latter is just sociopathic.

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Agreed. I’m glad you addressed it as I just didn’t have the energy. But you are 100% correct.

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Nicely put.

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A little credit should be given for not mentioning guns.

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But I guess that means ■■■■ all to you.

Typical.

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Happy thoughts?

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ahhh… the caveats!

I can’t say “you want people to die” to gain cheap political points (not that I would).

but

You can say I “don’t care if people die” to gain cheap political points (which you did)

seems a distinction without a difference

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I did not say that. What I said was that circumstances of death in terms of significance are primary political topics when it comes to national policy on a variety of matter.

It’s why some care more when an illegal immigrant kills someone vs. a cop killing a black person. It’s not that they don’t care, it’s that they differ on its significance

However, hoping innocent people die would be like saying cons hope the black guy is killed. Which is of course absurd

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Being indifferent versus desiring. Seems like a distinction and a difference.

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is the result different? no.

If i’m indifferent to people dying because it benefits my political viewpoint and as a result nothing is done to stop it… people die

If I desire people to die because it would benefit my political viewpoint and as a result nothing is done to stop it… people die

keep in mind, no-one has said anything about acting on either the indifference or desire.

It is literally a distinction without a difference.

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We will have to disagree.

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Yes. The first is regarding a practical policy decision, namely at what point does the Federal Government take action. Ex: someone drinks bleach and dies. Does this mean we should outlaw bleach? Of course not. The death is not significant enough to warrant a policy. Thus, the indifference.

However, hoping people drink bleach and die so that you CAN outlaw it, is sociopathic at best.

Both people die, but the personal motivation and personal reward/expectation is what we are discussing.

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I can agree to that!

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bad analogy, as in the first case the indifference is to the policy.

To be analogous in both instances the subject would have to want to outlaw bleach.

There is absolutely no difference in being indifferent to people dying and there for allowing it to happen because you want to outlaw bleach

and

wanting people to die and therfore letting it happen because you want to outlaw bleach

The result and reward are the same.

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Nope. It’s quite perfect

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no, its not.

there is no political “point” gained in the first. the subject is indifferent to the policy.

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You aren’t understanding but that’s ok

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I understand perfectly, you created a false dichotomy to support your wrong conclusion.

The premise here is claiming people are indifferent to death because those deaths support or oppose their political viewpoint and earn them “points”. Not that they are indifferent to death because they are indifferent to the policy in the first place… which offers no reward,

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I did not.

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you did