A real discussion about health care

[PeterGriffin]

@Guntsu

My brother, very Republican pro Trump, hard working, good paying professional job, good insurance through his company would argue against single payer with the typical responses.

Then he got sick and his journey in the medical system began, buried under bills, unexplained costs, multiple surgeries and he came to the realization that our system is broken and needs a change.

Once one get’s in the cycle of needing care people tend to be forever in debt.

This is common. Conservatives are long on ideology until they experience something themselves or it affects them directly, then they turn into Bernie Bros.

[SixFoot]

@Liberty323

Until Americans stop just looking to treat all of their avoidable problems with pills or surgeries, best of luck.

The majority of health problems in this first world country are entirely avoidable. In other words, their own fault.

[Liberty323]

Something does need to be done to reign in costs for catastrophic cases like the example given; just not across the board freebies for everyone.

[PeterGriffin]

@Liberty323

Something does need to be done to reign in costs for catastrophic cases like the example given; just not across the board freebies for everyone.

Why not?

[tnt]

@Liberty323

Something does need to be done to reign in costs for catastrophic cases like the example given; just not across the board freebies for everyone.

“free” annual check ups is one of the best things we can do. Catching illness early increases odd of survival and decreases cost of care.

[tnt]

@SixFoot

Because it’s a part of my belief system. Also none of your business, which also corresponds to my belief system.

If you get sick, best of luck to you. If I like you, I’ll donate money to the cause. I’ll also feverishly resist any compulsion to help you.

I have my own people to care for.

So it’s not “America First”, it’s “Me first”.

[Liberty323]

@PeterGriffin

@Liberty323

Something does need to be done to reign in costs for catastrophic cases like the example given; just not across the board freebies for everyone.

Why not?

Because if a cost isn’t involved, people will go to the ER for hangnails. It was like that in the military which had “free” healthcare for all members and dependents.

[Jezcoe]

@Liberty323

@PeterGriffin

@Liberty323

Something does need to be done to reign in costs for catastrophic cases like the example given; just not across the board freebies for everyone.

Why not?

Because if a cost isn’t involved, people will go to the ER for hangnails. It was like that in the military which had “free” healthcare for all members and dependents.

Is that a problem that happens in countries with single payer?

[PeterGriffin]

@Liberty323

Because if a cost isn’t involved, people will go to the ER for hangnails. It was like that in the military which had “free” healthcare for all members and dependents

That’s not a legitimate objection. That’s a grievance wrapped in an anecdote.

[Liberty323]

@tnt

@Liberty323

Something does need to be done to reign in costs for catastrophic cases like the example given; just not across the board freebies for everyone.

“free” annual check ups is one of the best things we can do. Catching illness early increases odd of survival and decreases cost of care.

Possibly. It just sounds to me like a windfall for Big Pharma. “Oh, look what I discovered during your check-up. No problem, here are some prescriptions for you to get filled the rest of your life.”
True preventative healthcare would be informing people about the causes of most metabolic issues that can easily be corrected with diet. Producers of junk food that the AMA and AHA label healthy will never allow it.

[Liberty323]

I’m sure you have several approved studies that show it doesn’t so I won’t bother.

[Jezcoe]

@Liberty323

@tnt

@Liberty323

Something does need to be done to reign in costs for catastrophic cases like the example given; just not across the board freebies for everyone.

“free” annual check ups is one of the best things we can do. Catching illness early increases odd of survival and decreases cost of care.

Possibly. It just sounds to me like a windfall for Big Pharma. “Oh, look what I discovered during your check-up. No problem, here are some prescriptions for you to get filled the rest of your life.”
True preventative healthcare would be informing people about the causes of most metabolic issues that can easily be corrected with diet. Producers of junk food that the AMA and AHA label healthy will never allow it.

I know when I go to my doctor he says “eat and drink what you like… just take this pill”.

Happens all the time.

[Liberty323]

Okay.

[Jezcoe]

@Liberty323

I’m sure you have several approved studies that show it doesn’t so I won’t bother.

We have several systems across the world to see what actually happens under single payer.

I have never seen one where people get TOO much health care.

[Liberty323]

I know several obese people with diabetes type 2 whose doctors told them to eat whatever they like, they will just need to increase their insulin down the road. Of course, I’m sure this has only ever occurred with the very few people I know that this applies to.

[Jezcoe]

@Liberty323

I know several obese people with diabetes type 2 whose doctors told them to eat whatever they like, they will just need to increase their insulin down the road. Of course, I’m sure this has only ever occurred with the very few people I know that this applies to.

Sure.

Doctors are well known for following the guidelines of “eat as much as you want… don’t worry about the weight”.

Seen it all the time.

[Liberty323]

@Jezcoe

@Liberty323

I know several obese people with diabetes type 2 whose doctors told them to eat whatever they like, they will just need to increase their insulin down the road. Of course, I’m sure this has only ever occurred with the very few people I know that this applies to.

Sure.

Doctors are well known for following the guidelines of “eat as much as you want… don’t worry about the weight”.

Seen it all the time.

I didn’t say “eat as much”, I said “eat whatever”, meaning they can exist on grains and other ■■■■ used to fatten livestock as long as they do it in moderation and increase their insulin periodically. Type 2 diabetics are told all the time to just eat “healthy” foods like cereals, breads, pasta, etc, and wonder why they can’t lose weight. It’s easier to pop pills and believe the experts so whatever.

[tnt]

@Liberty323

Possibly. It just sounds to me like a windfall for Big Pharma. “Oh, look what I discovered during your check-up. No problem, here are some prescriptions for you to get filled the rest of your life.”
True preventative healthcare would be informing people about the causes of most metabolic issues that can easily be corrected with diet. Producers of junk food that the AMA and AHA label healthy will never allow it.

It is true that Big Pharma wins in this - but that is what we are going to get in a free market health care system. You can’t expect corps to act benevolently.

Junk food…also agree. Do away with sugar subsidies and most importantly raise the minimum wage so we are no longer subsidizing fast food corps work forces with our tax dollars. Let the bear the full cost of their work force. If that means a 64oz coke will cost 30 cents more, so be it. The porduct should reflect the true cost. Maybe people will slow down on the cheap govt. subsidized HFCS products…

[tnt]

@Liberty323

I know several obese people with diabetes type 2 whose doctors told them to eat whatever they like, they will just need to increase their insulin down the road. Of course, I’m sure this has only ever occurred with the very few people I know that this applies to.

lol.

My blood sugar was barely high and my doctor read me the riot act. And honestly, it was a blip. and she freaked out.

I don’t drink soda, don’t each much candy, and am fit and healthy weight.

My doc would show no mercy to someone with high blood sugar who didn’t live a healthy lifestyle.

[Liberty323]

@tnt

@Liberty323

I know several obese people with diabetes type 2 whose doctors told them to eat whatever they like, they will just need to increase their insulin down the road. Of course, I’m sure this has only ever occurred with the very few people I know that this applies to.

lol.

My blood sugar was barely high and my doctor read me the riot act. And honestly, it was a blip. and she freaked out.

I don’t drink soda, don’t each much candy, and am fit and healthy weight.

My doc would show no mercy to someone with high blood sugar who didn’t live a healthy lifestyle.

That’s actually great. Hopefully your doctor would advise an obese person with high blood sugar to eliminate sugar from the diet rather than prescribe insulin to lower it.